Perfect Immortality

True, but whats to say that you cannot have an adaption that lets you develop those adaption later.

Or you simply adapt to the point that you could exist outside of time.

Basides like I said before you adapt to everything including the spacetime continumam and since everybody is exposed to space time you would have all ready adapted the time travel and many other powers and adaptions that have to do with spacetime or related to it.

So by the time you actualy traped them they would already have adapted time travel due to adapting to spacetime like they do with everything else.

Also since they would have already been exposed to spacetime they would mostlikely already have the adaption to exist outside of time at will.

[Josh]

Alex, are you really having trouble understanding that "unbeatable" and "not overpowered" are mutually exclusive states? A power that is unbeatable is overpowered. A power that is not overpowered can not be unbeatable. "Temporary" does not cut it. It doesn't have to be permanent, but someone should be able to beat a Perfect Immortal badly enough to live a normal lifetime free from the immortal. And if the immortal can really adapt time powers from just being in the timestream, that's unstoppable right there. All the strategies in the world do zilch against someone who can go back to before you made them if you don't have a time traveler on your team. And if you do have a time traveler? Wham, the immortal adapts to somehow avoid that time traveler, effectively meaning you don't have a time traveler, meaning it's the same as if you didn't.

[Vespert]

And yet another contradiction! You know what you just proved Alex? You can't be trusted to create a superpower here. You say you didn't have enough space for the power description, but you can't even be clear with what you manage to write in, as you keep saying we misunderstand it. You keep contradicting yourself and keep saying you are still right but that it depends on the point of view. If we can't trust what you write, I wonder how honest you really are with us.

[Josh]

I agree with the point that we should wrap up here, but I do want to add that he says on (I think it's Page 3, anyway) Page 3 that the only way to beat Perfect Immortality is to duplicate it and then enter a stalemate. Okay, so it has a limit, right? Problem is that he spends ten pages arguing that it's not unbeatable after having said the closest thing to beating it possible is a draw.

EDIT: It's Page 4. http://superpower-list-forum.2863604.n2.nabble.com/Perfect-Immortality-tp5357405p5357413.html

[Vespert]

Actually, he later changed it to say that one of them will beat the other because the other one would get bored since the battle would take a very long time.

http://superpower-list-forum.2863604.n2.nabble.com/Perfect-Immortality-tp5357405p5357431.html

[Josh]

Getting bored and leaving is not a defeat, it's a forfeit. They aren't forced to submit to the other. I'm frightened to mention willpower lest Alex hop in with adapting to that.

Another thing bothering me is that Alex was acting like "strategy" was an inexhaustible resource. Strategies against a being are finite and limited in particular by resources available. If you have a team of twenty supers, they can't strategize forever, particularly when every strategy inevitably makes the immortal stronger AND renders some of their powers uesless. Unless they can disable the immortal long enough to get entirely new, unheard of powers that relate to nothing the immortal may have already adapted to, all their powers wind up useless after about twenty minutes. Even an entire civilization can't create new plans for that sort of thing forever.

But, whatever. I'm pretty much done with this. Although I'm not beyond publicly wondering if Alex is actually an amazingly skilled troll who spent months building up a persona so he could do something to rile all of the active site up at once. In which case, 6.5/10. Maybe 7/10. Maybe.

Having an draw is still a defeat because nobody one.

Also duplicating the power is only one stradegy you could use.

Also submitting defeat still counts as an defeat because you would win by forefiet.

Making someone bored enough to make them leave still counts as defeating someone after all thats how the fantastic four defeated impossible man they couldn't beat him so they made him bored enough that he left on his own.

and yes they could adapt to willpower.

[Josh]

Sure, but it's not the sort of defeat we're looking for. It's not enough of a defeat to make the power not overpowered.

Then what kind of defeat are you looking fore?

[Josh]

The sort where either an individual or small group of people without Perfect Immortality can fight off PI in a reasonable amount of time and then go about the rest of their lives without having to worry about the immortal coming back and crushing them like bugs. That's what I'd say, anyway, the other users may have their own definitions.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

@ALEX: Understand this...if you do not reveal to us what the power's weakness is, it is considered a Mary-Sue power, and will have to be adjusted, tweaked or DELETED. I have yet to see a clear counter to this ability. You're not making it a type of immortality, because it doesn't just keep you from dying. It is an unfair amalgamation of Immortality, Invulnerability, Reactive Adaptation and Adaptive Kinesis that works far too fast and is actually permanent. Therefore, you eventually become invulnerable to everything, become totally omnipotent, and therefore, become too powerful. It is not fair, not wise and not appreciated that you include this power as it stand now. If it were to be edited somehow, so that it only protects your life-span, instead of protecting your life by GIVING YOU NEW POWERS, then it would be acceptable. Until then, no offense, but it'd be nice if you'd shut up about it. We discussed the omni abilites earlier, did we not? They're resurfacing again in this power, due to the adaptation factor, and it's just not fair.

Then my power works because making them bored would work.

Why would an perfect immortal go to see someone they know will be boring.

[Josh]

Yeah. Unless you have some solid way of proving that this power isn't overpowered, rather than just talking about temporary defeat some more, I don't particularly care. I'm still tossing around ideas here just because I don't have much else better to do at the moment (read: I have no life).

[Josh]

Avoiding someone's wrath isn't what we're looking for. It might not have to be straight up toe-to-toe combat, but we're working with the assumption that the immortal is in a fight of some sort with the opposition, and the opposition is trying to survive and make the immortal leave, at least for a good period of time.

I can list a power or two that are close to the omnipowers and have few weaknesses that you haven't critized.

Spacetime indeminity here is the describtion.

This ability renders a person unaffected by the constraints imposed by the forces that represent time/space. Action, perception, experience, when & where he exists in the universe is free to be controlled. This enables one to: move into any space in the known universe with just a single step, perform multiple tasks in different places simultaneously in no time at all, exist in past, present, future simultaneously, act freely even if time stops & exist even in the absence of space.

Also shadowwulf1 I will quate you, "Really? this power borders on omnipresence? hmm... maybe but still, isn't omnipresence only limited to being everywhere anytime? does it also mean you are also immune or unaffected by any temporal or spacial manipulations? if not then their similarity ends in being everywhere... no?"

and I bet there are even more powers like that one that are actualy simular or surpassing the omnipowers and you never critizize them.

See Perfect Immortality may be strong but it is realy no more powerful then other powers on the sight you have aparently not critized for months.

You can defeate Perfect Immortality with stradegy after all not everypower in the world has to have a glaring weakness comic book, telelivision shows all prove it.  At least against mine you can use stradegy.

So stop being so critical of mine when their are way more powerful powers already on the site that you haven't had deleted in fact this is only one example.

Excacly and everybody knows when you have a stale mate to leave because knowone will win it.

All you actualy have to do is conince them to leave. If you give them a good enough reason they will leave of their own ocord.

Have you ever considered instead of trying to out fight the perfect immortal to instead talk to them and give them a good enough reason to leave.

So basicly even if you can't figure out a way to out fight them you can instead talk to them. They will most likely stop fighting you if you give them an good enough reason to.

[Josh]

There are tons of undeniably overpowered powers (Pick-a-Power or Prophecy Foretelling for example), but two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, they may be overpowered, but we have a tendency to brush over that when attention isn't drawn to it. We just happened to pick up on yours full-stop because you made it overpowered AFTER posting it by adding features that made it blatantly able to DO anything, rather than just SURVIVE anything. It was basically slipped by the mods on a false premise, and then you first told everyone that they weren't getting it, and then denied that being able to do anything except kill another user of the power wasn't overpowered for like fifteen pages of forum. If you see a bunch of overpowered powers, go ahead and call them out, but don't use it to justify yourself.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Space-Time Indemnity means that you are immune to being affected by things that are constrained to space-time. If you have that power, Metatime-based powers and god powers can defeat it. Don't call me a hypocrite, Alex. I don't like being called a hypocrite. I know exactly what I'm saying, and what I'm saying is that you are being unfair with your selection of ability function. That is, your power is too powerful to be a variation of IMMORTALITY. That's like me making a power based off of telekinesis that allows you to regenerate or understand languages as well. This is a combination of more than one power. Admit it, change it and let's move on. I'm honestly getting tired of your asinine attempts to not lose a losing argument. Your power is over-powered, because all the strategy in the world isn't good enough if you simply adapt to it. It makes you all-powerful eventually, and then you adapt to the strategy to make yourself Omniscient, and then adapt to the constraints of space-time (Acuiring Space-Time Indemnity, no doubt) combined with some other space-based power to also become Omnipresent. Eventually, you are bound to become a god with this ability. And all Immortality SHOULD do is keep you from dying.

[Josh]

But that has nothing to do with the power, it's with the person behind the power. It doesn't matter that you can talk to someone with omnipotence and convince them not to put you in a cramped box filled with scorpions and screaming ghosts for the rest of eternity, but that doesn't change the fact that it gives the user the ability to do anything, which makes it overpowered and something not acceptable for the list.

I didn't use it to slip past the mods. This is one of the reasons I asked that they make it so that we can add more words to our describtions because things like this happen.