Perfect Immortality

It is not the omnis I have tried to explain this sense last night all you need is an stradegy.

Sure this power can counter a god power but don't forgett a god is letting him use the power in the first place. Plus that was simply a power that lets someone use a minor version of a gods power so it was actualy an demigod power.

This power can adapt to anything yes but its not overpowered because an stradegy can beat you never solve everything by finding a weakness in a power you have to plan.

Besides you are underestimating cunning, stradegy, and intuetion it is why batman stays on top and it is why human beings have stayed on top for centuries. It takes stradegey not power to beat someone with this power but since a good enough stradegy can beat someone with this power it is not overpowered.

You are simply cought up in the argument that you cannot see that this power isn't overpowered because you arn't making anysince if someone with an good enough stradegy can beat it how is it overpowered. Also so what if the stradegy won't work more than once you simply come up with a new one and then ask someone for help. Are you all so determened to use only power vs power in the battle area that you are unwilling to think.

[Josh]

The 'truth' of a 'Perfect Immortality' is something like just being unable to be killed or physically injured by anything, like having that one, single power negated or by time travel. That alone was cutting it, and having the ability to adapt to negative environments to, say, get out of permenant traps was debatable, but no one brought up any issue with it.

But you're making this just INSANE. There is no reason, no indication in your power, and no logic behind having an immortality power give someone the ability to revert gravity just because someone around them has that power. There's no connection. No purpose. That alone was wrong. And then you decided to have it adapt to EVERYTHING, powered or not, harming the user or not, and keep the adaptations, with no cons, forever. Think about it. User adapts to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they want/need. This is no longer immortality, it's "Omnipotent Adaption" or something.

Whatever. **** this, I'm out. I'll keep reading, but I'm done commenting before it starts affecting my blood pressure or something. Just let these be my parting words: I know I've said it like twice before today, but I want you to know for sure that I love omni/god powers. But please, PLEASE do not associate me with this sort of behavior just because I happen to love that one thing that Alex does too.

Perfect Immortality isn't regular immortality  is my variation of immortality.

[Vespert]

How do you define the word 'overpowered'?

[spydyr]

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[Whd]

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I define the word overpowered as being completely unbeatable that no stradegy, power,  or team work will be able to overcome it no matter what.

Perfect Immortality isn't overpowered because it is possible to be overcome albet temporary and stradegy will work though over time you will have to have your team mates come up with stradegys and ask many people.

You adapt in a near instant the moment you come close to anything.

[Vespert]

He did sorta share some strategies. He said you can trap them and since it can take some time for them to adapt, you can try to run away. If you manage to get away, you won. In the meantime, they will escape and you won't be able to use the same strategy ever again, so you have to find a new one.

[Josh]

Okay, I said I wasn't going to comment anymore, but I think my two cents here may really advance the discussion:
1) Temporary defeat is not defeat. A power that can be beaten *only* temporarilty is still pretty much undefeatable and overpowered.
2) We still have yet to see ANY strategy that can overcome its adaptation. If you aren't going to provide an example or show us where we have the right idea, then we're forced to assume that the adaptation part is simply too strong for any strategy to overcome.
3) Adapting instantly makes it overpowered. If there is no delay, then there is no time in which others can act against the immortal.

@WHD Yeah, I was trying to be a calm, cool, and collected voice earlier, but something just ended up irking me. Thanks for coming in and cooling it off.

EDIT: Wow, three posts in the time I took to write this... *facepalm*

[Vespert]

I thought so. That's not what 'overpowered' means.

Actualy Batman has phased god like being including cosmic entities and don't forgett during crisis on infinite earths the Anti-Moniter was almost all powerful in fact he stalemated the spectra who is said to have power equaling god and batman survived well into the final battle with the anti-moniter.

Strengh/power will never work because they will always adapt to it.

Plus you don't even have to use your powers if anybody with a power or anything comes near them they automaticly start adapting so they would already have adapted to the hulk when Bruce Banner comes near the planet.

Also you don't adapt just to other peoples powers and the enviroment you adapt to everything no matter what.

You can never overcome perfect immortality with pure strengh/power you have to use stradegy and come up with new stradegys everytime you face them so hulk will be out of luck though batman will be able to come up with many stradegys.

[Whd]

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Actualy I didn't say it was instant I said it is near instant like seconds to minuntes.

You simply haven't come up with a stradegy because you are trying to match power vs power which will not work.

How about someone ask marvel or dc comics to find away to overcome this power after all they have got to have someway for you to ask power questions and they are sure to find away.

It takes stradegy not brute force.

[Josh]

My vote is to stop discussing this here and move it into the topic that was made for it specifically. I, personally, will most likely not be joining in, though, unless I have something of actual interest to say. WHD is right, it's deadlocked. It's best at this point to just accept that most of the List thinks its overpowered, and Alex doesn't, and we'll see next time Justin gets on what the final decision is.

When Vespert said(typed) He did sorta share some strategies. He said you can trap them and since it can take some time for them to adapt, you can try to run away. If you manage to get away, you won. In the meantime, they will escape and you won't be able to use the same strategy ever again, so you have to find a new one.

He actualy pointed out the stradegy I have been pointing out to you since last night.

[Josh]

That's entirely irrelevant, at least in relation to the previous post. I didn't say anything about the power itself, just opinions on it. Read the first sentence, if we're discussing this at all, it should be in the proper topic.

EDIT: Just in case it wasn't entirely clear, I was referring to Alex responding to my "Let's move this out of here" with more arguments for Perfect Immortality, not to Vespert agreeing.

Perfect Immortality isn't an omnipower.

Let me quate Vester "He did sorta share some strategies. He said you can trap them and since it can take some time for them to adapt, you can try to run away. If you manage to get away, you won. In the meantime, they will escape and you won't be able to use the same strategy ever again, so you have to find a new one."

See you just have to come up with stradegys.

Besides Omnipowers start out being that powerfull while with Perfect Immortality you have to adapt.

[Josh]

You said in another topic that someone had proposed trapping them and running away.

While it *WORKS*, it's not a defeat. A defeat in this sense doesn't have to be a kill, but it has to phase them for than a few minutes. Basically, one of the reasons the power is overpowered is because there's no way of holding a user with it off forever, they're just going to keep adapting until they're unstoppable and overrun any defense. The idea that with strategy people could stop them mitigates one facet of its overpowered-ness, except that even that ignores the fact that it'll only be a few minutes until the immortal is free again. He would adapt faster than strategies could be created. And the fact of the matter is that there would be limited resources available to defenders. The immortal is, in the end, going to win.

EDIT: Protip/Rule of Thumb: If, in the end, a power can do pretty much anything, even if it didn't initially start with that ability, there's a good chance it's overpowered.

[spydyr]

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