What if the Roman Empire never fell?

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Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?

1 Corinthians 13:1-3 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
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Ohhh!Let me help! I begin to use Banhammer on any mentions of bits of information on quartz, banning them from the Akasha.
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NEO! Neo! Neo. *Gently pulls the banhammer from his hands* Good Neo. Now go play with your brothers, and stay away from the Akasha. I am done with my pseudo-villainous tirade against quartz...
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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neogenetica
Makes banhammer disappear. Awwwwwwww, we could have made a new mineral. One that explodes on contact with oxygen.
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................please don't, leave my precious quartz alone.
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neogenetica
Meh, fine.
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thank you....
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“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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They wants to ruin my precious...they wants to defile it, change it...I won't lets them have my precious....Gollum! Gollum!
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Calm down, Smeagle, you can have your precious...

*Changes Akasha back, restoring quartz to its rightful place.*

Now you can back off. The mouth foam is getting all over my perfectly good shoes...
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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Marvelous Miscreant
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 Okey-Dokey
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Celadon's Penultimate
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 Whew...that's a relief.
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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Type 7 is the energy of the entire omniverse.

So we would be an omniversal civilization if the roman empire never fell.
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Marvelous Miscreant
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I seriously doubt that.
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Celadon's Penultimate
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Um, that's not even close to being true.

Alex, you DO realize that OMNI means ALL, right? In which case, we would transcend the bounds of ALL time and ALL space to expand EVERYWHERE...

This is just like the Omnipotence thing. You can't be KINDA Omniversal. It's either A universe (the Universe) or a few universes (The Multiverse)
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and even a few universes is streatching it a bit.
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My point exactly.

The likelihood of us reaching entire new UNIVERSES is still a stretch TODAY, let alone had we still had the mindset of ancient Romans (or descendants of that empire)
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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I say this. without magic or reality bengind some things just can't be done. And even if we did find a machine capable of such things. It would probably have a ninety percent chance of killing all of us in the process.
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Actualy scientests theorize their is an omniverse.

The Omniverse is the conceptual ensemble of all possible universes, with all possible laws of physics[1][2].
 
In this physical cosmology context, the limitation of the definition of "universe" that it has only one set of "physical laws and constants that govern them," is expanded to include multiple sets of physical laws and constants, each expressed as a wholly or partially separate universe. The term is used in quantum mechanics to differentiate the concept of a limited number of universes from all existent universes.
 


 [edit] Hierarchy within the omniverse
 
Universe: The inside description of a context that is relative in size/structure (attributes/modes) to the known universe that we inhabit. A Universe, also known as a Cosmos, is a particular individual space-time organization with a specified number of dimensions of space and time and definite and specific laws of physics. Other Universes (other Cosmoses) may have different numbers of dimensions of space and time and different laws of physics than our own Universe (Cosmos).[3][4]
 
Multiverse: The part of infinity that directly joins a given universe with all possible configurations of that universe.
 
Metaverse: In string theory, the part that is along with, after; over also denoting change in the multiverse that houses the branes or film that each universe is said to be attached to and hang like individual sheets in a hypermagnetic wave with rhythms of hypercosmic strings going up and down that has a third element causing up, down, backwards, forwards, motions inside the Xenoverse.
 
Note: In computer science, a metaverse is a virtual reality simulation based on the physical reality of a single individual universe, but one or more levels of implementation above it. It is conceived that it will be possible in forthcoming centuries to create such simulations using massive arrays of matrioshka brains and Jupiter brains.[5][6]
 
Xenoverse: the unknown alien elements that are beyond and part of the metaverse and multiverse structure. Compared to a patchwork quilt hanging on a line to dry in space that is multivariate inside the Omniverse. While Omniverse is said to be the outside ring of all that is known, the xenoverse is the inside the hypermacrocosm that is unknown beyond the metaverse—the unknown sets of laws that govern how branes behave to create metaverses, the laws of which govern the creation of multiverses.
 
Omniverse: All possible attributes and modes are in play, multiverses are categorized by the attributes/modes active in its child universes. Some or all possible modes of existence are actualized. If we take the point of origin as our being as a point in measurement, then we can generate the following hierarchy: 1. our location in space-time, 2. this universe (cosmos), 3. the multiverse, 4. the metaverse, 5. the xenoverse, 6. the omniverse.
 
[edit] Allegorical illustrations of the concept
 
One can think of the omniverse as a tree structure: the omniverse is the trunk, the metaverse is the laws that govern the formation of branches, each multiverse is a branch, and each universe (cosmos) is a leaf.
 
Alternatively, the omniverse can be illustrated as a forest, a metaverse is the laws that govern the cosmic ecology that determines the distribution of trees in the forest, a multiverse is a tree in the forest, a universe as a branch on that tree, and all further branches and leaves are further subset horizons within that universe.
 
Physicists such as Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose have suggested that universes both fork and combine, which could be visualized as more of a system of roads and pathways.
 
[edit] End of infinity
 
In some views, the number of omniverse subsets possible is finite. Given that omniverse is the largest set conceptualized by man, such a view is sometimes called "the end of infinity". From this frame of reference, it is possible that even if each multiverse had completely different laws of physics, and the amount of possibilities went off in the most unlikely directions, there would be a limit and an end to the amount of possibilities.
 
This view is founded in a theory of the omniverse splintering into universe, multiverse, many-worlds interpretation, M-theory, parallel universe, possible worlds, and so on. Etymologically, the term "universe" is meant to refer to the entirety of one reality. Omni- is a prefix meaning "all", making the omniverse encompass all possible universes, unlike the multiverse that can encompass any two or more universes with the same set of laws and constants.
 
So their is a possibility of a omniverse.

Scientest's also theorize their is a multiverse.

Multiverse hypotheses in physics
 
Tegmark's classification
 
Cosmologist Max Tegmark has provided a taxonomy of universes beyond the familiar observable universe. The levels according to Tegmark's classification are arranged such that subsequent levels can be understood to encompass and expand upon previous levels, and they are briefly described below. [2][3]
 
Level I: Beyond our cosmological horizon
 
A generic prediction of chaotic inflation is an infinite ergodic universe, which, being infinite, must contain Hubble volumes realizing all initial conditions.
 
Accordingly, an infinite universe will contain an infinite number of Hubble volumes, all having the same physical laws and physical constants. In regard to configurations such as the distribution of matter, almost all will differ from our Hubble volume. However, because there are infinitely many, far beyond the cosmological horizon, there will eventually be Hubble volumes with similar, and even identical, configurations. Tegmark estimates that an identical volume to ours should be about 1010115 meters away from us (a number larger than a googolplex).[4][5] By the cosmological principle, one assumes our Hubble volume is not special or unique.
 
Level II: Universes with different physical constants
 




"Bubble universes", every disk is a bubble universe (Universe 1 to Universe 6 are different bubbles, they have physical constants that are different from our universe), our universe is just one of the bubbles.
In the chaotic inflation theory, a variant of the cosmic inflation theory, the multiverse as a whole is stretching and will continue doing so forever, but some regions of space stop stretching and form distinct bubbles, like gas pockets in a loaf of rising bread. Such bubbles are embryonic level I multiverses. Linde and Vanchurin calculated the number of these universes to be on the scale of 101010000000.[6]
 
Different bubbles may experience different spontaneous symmetry breaking resulting in different properties such as different physical constants.[4]
 
This level also includes John Archibald Wheeler's oscillatory universe theory and Lee Smolin's fecund universes theory.
 
Level III: Many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics
 
Hugh Everett's many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is one of several mainstream interpretations of quantum mechanics. In brief, one aspect of quantum mechanics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. According to the MWI, each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe. Suppose a die is thrown that contains six sides and that the result corresponds to a quantum mechanics observable. All six possible ways the die can fall correspond to six different universes. (More correctly, in MWI there is only a single universe but after the "split" into "many worlds" these cannot in general interact.)[7]
 
Tegmark argues that a level III multiverse does not contain more possibilities in the Hubble volume than a level I-II multiverse. In effect, all the different "worlds" created by "splits" in a level III multiverse with the same physical constants can be found in some Hubble volume in a level I multiverse. Tegmark writes that "The only difference between Level I and Level III is where your doppelgängers reside. In Level I they live elsewhere in good old three-dimensional space. In Level III they live on another quantum branch in infinite-dimensional Hilbert space." Similarly, all level II bubble universes with different physical constants can in effect be found as "worlds" created by "splits" at the moment of spontaneous symmetry breaking in a level III multiverse.[4]
 
Related to the many-worlds idea are Richard Feynman's multiple histories interpretation and H. Dieter Zeh's many-minds interpretation.
 
Level IV: Ultimate Ensemble
 
The Ultimate Ensemble hypothesis of Tegmark himself. This level considers equally real all universes that can be described by different mathematical structures. This does not include different low-energy physical laws not of our observable universe. Tegmark writes that "abstract mathematics is so general that any Theory Of Everything (TOE) that is definable in purely formal terms (independent of vague human terminology) is also a mathematical structure. For instance, a TOE involving a set of different types of entities (denoted by words, say) and relations between them (denoted by additional words) is nothing but what mathematicians call a set-theoretical model, and one can generally find a formal system that it is a model of." He argues this "implies that any conceivable parallel universe theory can be described at Level IV" and "subsumes all other ensembles, therefore brings closure to the hierarchy of multiverses, and there cannot be say a Level V."[8]
 
Jürgen Schmidhuber, however, says the "set of mathematical structures" is not even well-defined, and admits only universe representations describable by constructive mathematics, that is, computer programs. He explicitly includes universe representations describable by non-halting programs whose output bits converge after finite time, although the convergence time itself may not be predictable by a halting program, due to Kurt Gödel's limitations.[9][10][11] He also explicitly discusses the more restricted ensemble of quickly computable universes.[12]
 
Cyclic theories
 
Main articles: Cyclic model and Oscillatory universe
 
In several theories there is a series of infinite, self-sustaining cycles (for example: an eternity of Big Bang-Big crunches).
 
M-theory
 
See also: Introduction to M-theory, M-theory, Brane cosmology, and String theory landscape
 
A multiverse of a somewhat different kind has been envisaged within the multi-dimensional extension of string theory known as M-theory, also known as Membrane Theory.[13] In M-theory our universe and others are created by collisions between p-branes in a space with 11 and 26 dimensions (the number of dimensions depends on the chirality of the observer);[14][15] each universe takes the form of a D-brane.[14][15] Objects in each universe are essentially confined to the D-brane of their universe, but may be able to interact with other universes via gravity, a force which is not restricted to D-branes.[16] This is unlike the universes in the "quantum multiverse", but both concepts can operate at the same time.
 
Anthropic principle
 
Main article: Anthropic principle
 
The concept of other universes has been proposed to explain why our universe seems to be fine-tuned for conscious life as we experience it. If there were a large number (possibly infinite) of different physical laws (or fundamental constants) in as many universes, some of these would have laws that were suitable for stars, planets and life to exist. The weak anthropic principle could then be applied to conclude that we would only consciously exist in those universes which were finely tuned for our conscious existence. Thus, while the probability might be extremely small that there is life in most of the universes, this scarcity of life-supporting universes does not imply intelligent design as the only explanation of our existence.


Multiverse hypotheses in philosophy and logic
 
Modal realism
 
Possible worlds are a way of explaining probability, hypothetical statements and the like, and some philosophers such as David Lewis believe that all possible worlds exist, and are just as real as the actual world (a position known as modal realism).[22]
 
Trans-world identity
 
A metaphysical issue that crops up in multiverse schema that posit infinite identical copies of any given universe is that of the notion that there can be identical objects in different possible worlds. According to the counterpart theory of David Lewis, the objects should be regarded as similar rather than identical.[23][24]
 
Fictional realism
 
The view that because fictions exist, fictional characters exist as well. There are fictional entities, in the same sense in which, setting aside philosophical disputes, there are people, Mondays, numbers and planets.[25][26]

We cannot prove or disprove that their is a multiverse or omniverse since we don't have the technology or understanding that would allow us to actualy travel or at least discover anything beyond our own visible universe.

So since their is no way to prove or disprove you realy can't say their is no omniverse and you also can't say their is one.

I am not saying their is  a omniverse or multiverse I am simply stating we can't rule out the possibility.

So since the existence of an omniverse or multiverse cannot be proven or disproven we actuarly say their is or isn't one.

I was not stating their is one I was simply stating if their is one do to exponentional growth the roman empire would have reached it by now.

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It's still not possible.
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