Lords of Creation 15 (OCC)

[Zaleramancer]

The New Gods

Crav, God of Crafting, Industry and Earth.

        Heroes: Aox
        Avatars: N/A
        Mythical Beings: Golems
        Servitors: Architect
        Demi-God: N/A
        Religious Order: Nameless one.
        Artifact: N/A
        Minor-God: N/A
        Domain: Earth, Crafting, Industry
        Races: Durhian, Milteos
        Planes: World of Crafting
        Divine Artifact: N/A
        Major-god: N/A

Gilgamesh, God of Heroism and Conflict

        Heroes: Gilgamesh the Second, Lo-Kag, Rhogar, Naram, Emere, Thorn, Tirion, Atlas, Balasar.
        Avatars: N/A
        Mythical Beings: Dragons, Hippogriffs, Treants, Warp Stalkers, Minotaurs, Changelings, Goblins, Void Walkers
        Servitors: Spirits of Possible Heroes, Spirits of Healing, Spirits of Madness
        Demi-god: Sprites(x4)
        Religious Order: Council of Heroes, Colleges of Magic
        Artifact: Scabbard of Many Blades, Storm Matrix, Spell Scales, Staff of the Cosmos, Tempest Orb, Claws of the Hidden Flame, Spectral Slayer, Hercules Bands, Cursed Fangs, Water Candle, Cloak of Stars
        Minor-god: Sentinels (x4)
        Domain: Heroism, Conflict, Body
        Races: Dragonborn, Goliath, Genasi, Shardmind, Shifter, Humans
        Planes: Plane of Heroes, Plane of the Genasi, Plane of Trials, Plane of the Kingdom
        Divine Artifact: Well of Eternity, Nexus Eye, Muramasa, Golden Dragonscale Armor, Rune of Planes, Grand Mind, King's Monument (King's Treasury, Monument of Resurrection), Elemental Forge, Hero's Soul (Hero's Mark, Soul Gem), Dragon's Crown, Djinn's Lamp, Gate Stone, Moon Star, Chest of the Titans, Mirror Shield, Artifact Vine, Divine Armors(x9), Astral Tether
        Major-god: Yojimbo, Deva, Anima, Lore

Uburra-Namall, Goddess of Love, Beauty, Creativity and Inspiration

        Heroes: Revei the Brave, Mina the Sly, Zai the Thinker, Bo the Quick, Tyran the Strong
        Avatars: Madam Love Iaissavatra, Lady Goode Iaissavatra, Lord Sidius Iaissavatra
        Mythical Beings: Phoenix, Gryphons, Unicorns, Pegasi, Centaurs, Elves
        Servitors: Precious Sentries (Diamond, the North Sentry; Emerald, the South Sentry; Ruby, the East Sentry; Sapphire, the West Sentry; Amethyst, the North-East Sentry; Topaz, the North-West Sentry; Opal, the South-East Sentry; Beryl, the South-West Sentry)
        Demi-god: N/A
        Religious Order: N/A
        Artifact: Geranfeit'r (Mallet), Perincessai (Twin Tessen), Tereiein (Mace), Victoraiyein (Bo Staff), Babaraina (Sword), Soul's Vanity (Vai), Bowl of the Provider and Chalice of the Provider (Eda), Love Lock (Desra), Heart's Bane (Slomna), Writer's Block (Indiva)
        Minor-god: Vai (Pride), Prasim (Greed), Eda (Gluttony), Desra (Lust), Nasta (Wrath), Slomna (Sloth), Indiva (Envy)
        Domain: Love, Beauty, Creativity, Inspiration, Passion
        Races: Boquabians, Centaurs, Elves
        Planes: Plane of Love and Life, Plane of Creativity
        Divine Artifact: Plane of Creativity (necklace form), Vanity's Eye (Vai), Greed's Grasp (Prasim), Gluttony's Jaws (Eda), Heart of Lust (Desra), Wrath's Reach (Nasta), Sloth's Mind (Slomna), Envy's Eye (Indiva), The White Arsenal (Jassi), The Black Arsenal (Jissei), FellStrike (Khadai), The Heartbreaker (Uburra-Namall)
        Major-god: Khadai, Jassi and Jissei

 

Mina, Goddess of Demons, Youkai, Fire, Shadows and Ice

        Heroes: Kagehana, Fubuki, Koriko, Kira (Succubus), Taro (Vampire), Nayotake no Hime (Human)
        Avatars: Mikoto
        Mythical Beings: Kitsune, Tanuki, Raiju, Nekomata, Tengu, Gargoyles
        Servitors: Hengeyokai
        Demi-god: N/A
        Religious Order: Secret Religion, Cult of Fur
        Artifact: Mirror of Potential, Cloak of Hiding, Hydra Dagger, Heart's Blood, Icefire
        Minor-god: N/A
        Domain: Demons, Youkai, Shadows, Fire, Ice
        Races: Imps, Foocubus,Yukionna/Yukiotoko Shadow-Scarred, Vampires, Lycanthropes, Zombies
        Planes: Plane of Gehenna , Plane of Spirits, Shadowscape.
        Divine Artifact: Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi, Yata-no-Kagami,Yasakani-no-Magatama, Mugen-no-Magatama , Kagenobara, Kara no Magatama, Heart of Gravity, Twin Fangs of Fire and Ice, Heart of Magnetism, Illusory Labyrinth
        Major-god: Lily, Kyouko, Gravas Goddess of Water and Wind, Magnas Goddess of Lightning and Metal, Kyuuketsu Goddess of Wood and Blood, Suna Goddess of Sand and Glass, Illusia Goddess of Illusions and Temples

 
Mik Hael, God of Chaos and Monsters

        Heroes: Juggler, Archiver, Tamer, Acrobat
        Avatars: N/A
        Mythical Beings: Endreakians,Graciourum
        Servitors: N/A
        Demi-god: N/A
        Religious Order: N/A
        Artifact: N/A
        Minor-god: Dephos, Grace
        Domain: Chaos and Monsters
        Races: Fire Spirits, Water Spirits, Earth/Nature Spirits, Warrior Monks, Living Weapons.
        Planes: N/A
        Divine Artifact:Crystal, Gauntlet of Chaos, Gauntlet of Order, Cross of Mik Hael, Cloak of Shadows, Chakrams of Departure, The Chains, The Mask,
        Major-god: Big Evil Thingy.
        Other: Muffin.

 
Waverider, Goddess of Ocean and Sea Life

        Heroes: N/A
        Avatars: N/A
        Mythical Beings: Great Sharks
        Servitors: Undines
        Demi-god: N/A
        Religious Order: N/A
        Artifact: N/A
        Minor-god: Bazul, God of the Northern Sea, Coral, Goddess of Undines
        Domain: Ocean, Sea Life
        Races: N/A
        Planes: N/A
        Divine Artifact: N/A
        Major-god: N/A

 Haket, God of Sovereignty and Ritual

        Heroes: N/A
        Avatars: N/A
        Mythical Beings: N/A
        Servitors: Steel Giants
        Demi-god: Mela. Demi-Goddess of secretarial efforts
        Religious Order: N/A
        Artifact: N/A
        Minor-god: N/A
        Domain: Sovereignty, Ritual
        Races: Draemar,Dwarves
        Planes: N/A
        Divine Artifact: N/A
        Major-god: Drazel. God of Law and Legal Procedings

Zaya, Goddess of Hags and Black Magic

        Heroes: N/A
        Avatars: N/A
        Mythical Beings: N/A
        Servitors: N/A
        Demi-god: N/A
        Religious Order: N/A
        Artifact: N/A
        Minor-god: N/A
        Domain: Hags, Black Magic
        Races: Fish-Folk
        Planes: N/A
        Divine Artifact: Scrying Mirror
        Major-god: N/A

 
The Watchman, God of The Oppressed and Just Causes

        Heroes: Commander Shoving Another Down
        Avatars: N/A
        Mythical Beings: N/A
        Servitors: Watchers, Watchdogs, Witnesses
        Demi-god: N/A
        Religious Order: N/A
        Artifact:  Cloak of the Veteran (Current possessor: Aox)
        Minor-god: The Babysitter
        Domain: The Oppressed, Just Causes
        Races: Vandals
        Planes: N/A
        Divine Artifact: Spectropolis, The Equalizer
        Major-god: The Veteran, The Reasonable

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[Zaleramancer]

I really need to update that first post.

It's kind of useless now, though.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

Zaleramancer wrote

Mundane Races have Mundane Problems.

Magical Races have Magical Problems.

See Vampiric Sun Allergies.

I'm considering tweaking costs, but down that path lies madness.

I'm trying to think of a way to voice the exact problem I have with this. Something about how it can just be written around fairly easily, I guess?

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

It's not that bad. Might want to put a link to the Wiki on there though.

[Zaleramancer]

Well.

Let's examine..

Mortal Races

Pros: Form Religious Orders, Become Heroes, Numerous

Cons: Individually Weak

Mythical Races

Pros: Individually Strong, Become Heroes

Cons: Less Numerous, Can't form Religious Orders

Mythical Being

Pros: Individually Very Strong

Cons: Rare, Can't form Religious Orders, Can't become Heroes.


Let's start from here and think of appropriate things.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

It looks fine so far, though you're changing that Mythical Creatures can't be Heroes anymore? That makes some sense, though why wouldn't they be capable of being just as heroic as a Race?

[Philote]

Let's not divide up races please..... What we have already works, and by doing this we would just be creating unnecessary work to rework what we already have.

[Philote]

I do not think mythos ever could become a hero

[Zaleramancer]

Heroes are shining, exceptional members of a group.

Each Mythical Being in this reworking would be a being of gall-stopping power from mortal perspective.

They don't need to be exceptional, since they're rare enough to be the stuff of myth as it is.

For every thousand humans, there may only be a few dozen dragons.

But a single dragon could take on a small army.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

According to the latest rules, it said that the exceptional among them could challenge Demi-Gods and said to look at the Hero section of the Rules.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Ok, that makes sense, though I liked that the rules had said that exceptional Mythical Creatures could challenge the Gods.

[Zaleramancer]

It actually may make things a bit easier.

This gives us a few new categories to play with, so that we may more easily fit things into slots without having to make up to many new rules.

Mina's Planar Beasts could be swept into Mythical Being status with this tweak, as they would adequately capture their rarity and power level.

Mythical Races would allow you and Mina to keep most of the power of your races without having to overtly nerf them.

The only way we're going to make things work better is by altering things and seeing how it all clicks.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Right, I almost forgot to mention that all of the Independent Gods except for the seasonal ones are on the Wiki right now. I just haven't gotten around to them yet.

[Zaleramancer]

They still can.

This would increase their normal power level by allowing people to push their magical-race types into another category.

For example, I'd have no problems with a Dragon barreling through Undines or such. Challenging a individual demi-god would be chancy, but a luck or cunning Dragon could make them have to retreat.

A assembly of twenty or so dragons? That could make a Lesser God slightly nervous.

Of course, the total number of dragons in the entire world would probably be less than a hundred and fifty. Maybe even lower.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

True, very true.

[Philote]

I can not divide my races up between two different styles of races, they are supposed to be along the same levels of power. If I make them all Mythical Races that would not make sense because Humans would be a Mythical Race and they have a religious order. They could not be normal races because they are supposed to be strong, being created by Gilgamesh after all.

I do not like new rules randomly being thrown in and causing things to have to be reworked when we could move on to just playing the RP.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Consider this, every race is supposed to be, overall equal when everything is looked at. So Each race is good at something, but they also have the things they're not good at. It all needs to balance out. If your races are far stronger than everyone else's then they've stopped being a regular race and jumped into the tier of ancient myth (for our world anyway).

[Zaleramancer]

They wouldn't fit into the current rules either then.

So I don't know what you want to suggest.

One way or another, I'm going to make rules for races and mythical beings to follow, or people will continue to attempt to combine the two.

Mythical Beings were originally meant to be city-stomping-natural-disasters.

Eventually, they got used for "More Powerful Race".

I'm trying to stop that.

[Philote]

They are not inherently stronger than any race, though they do have more of a history of combat

The problem is, each of my races would have to stay the same rank. With their connection to Gilgamesh, it would only make sense for them to be created in the higher tier of races as well.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

 Then you'll have to make sacrifices, as we all will. Actually, this might allow GV to define his Vandals better if he didn't do it to his full satisfaction earlier. It's a win-win for all involved. And I can't define Mina's races under the current rules to my satisfaction BTW.