Questions about Powers

[Celadon's Penultimate]

@Phi: No.

@Zale: I don't see how either your statement or mine could have been insulting.

I was basically saying that both agnostics and atheists deny the definite presence of God or A god. Atheists just say that it's for definite. We came from monkeys, we're just accidents of the universe, nothing more, nothing less. Agnostics just don't know for sure. If they were a political party, they'd take the place of "Undecided" on the ballot.

And YOUR statement was simply saying you took it as an insult. I understand where you were going, and I wouldn't take the comparison personally. Again, you have yet to grasp the magnitude of my beliefs, because you do not share them. So, I've learned to let those things slide. It's honestly not worth it, trying to explain the supernatural in terms of the secular.  

[Celadon's Penultimate]

That's exactly the point I pose. Agnosticism is just the fancy term for being undecided. Not much more to be said than that. It's not like you can research indecisiveness, or read a book about the unknown.

[Philote]

Hmm how do people explain that we are the only sentient life on the planet?

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Don't you get it, Phi? The atheists have already tried to explain it away as an accident of the universe. The agnostics have said there's no way to know AT ALL (the best they can do to comprehend it is feeble human research, subject to human error and such).

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Again, there's no way to show the supernatural world to the supernatural. If the secular mindset is the one that people adopt, then that will be all they know. They wouldn't understand an angel unless they saw it in person, and could dissect it and study its anatomy. They wouldn't understand God unless he rang their doorbell, shook their hand and said, "Hi there! I'm Jehovah, the All-Mighty God, Father of Jesus Christ!"

It is because of this, that when we say that in order to understand Christ, you must ask Him for understanding, they can't even do that, because they question His existence to begin with (and what fool would pray to be heard by a being they didn't believe in?).

[Zaleramancer]

Are you trying to be annoying?



Shadowulf you say a bunch of things that I personally feel are wrong or things I disagree with.  I let it go and don't argue with you about it because I consider you a friend. Please don't push it.



Sorry...

[Philote]

If it was just random science you would think that anything organic could develop sentience (hmm well now that i think about it it could if God wanted) but anyways if it was random it would of happened by now.

[Zaleramancer]

Before anyone says something stupid, You should know that I think evolution(At least at the earliest levels) is iffy at best. The chances seem astronomical for it to have worked.  (I bet this surprises some people.)



According to evolution.. It is...


...Because we suck.


Humans lack strong claws, a tough hide, wings, etc...

Compared to most animals, we suck.


So all the stupid proto-humans got themselves eaten, while the smart ones survived. Eventually, they got smart enough to be sentient.



Or something like that.

[Philote]

I dont see anything wrong with evolution and religion, God created an entire universe i think he can make some organisms evolve. I dont think humans started out as monkeys, just maybe a less sophisticated form of human like neanderthal(spelling?)

[Zaleramancer]

Neanderthal


(Took me a spell checker and Google to figure out the correct spelling. )

The Neanderthal (short for Neanderthal Man, in English pronounced /niːˈændərtɑːl/, /niːˈændərθɔːl/) or /neɪˈændərtɑːl/; in modern orthography Neandertal) is an extinct member of the Homo genus that is known from Pleistocene specimens found in Europe and parts of western and central Asia. Neanderthals are classified either as a subspecies (or race) of modern humans (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) or as a separate human species (Homo neanderthalensis).[1]

Neanderthal cranial capacity is thought to have been as large as that of a Homo sapiens, perhaps larger, indicating their brain size may have been comparable, as well. In 2008, a group of scientists created a study using three-dimensional computer-assisted reconstructions of Neanderthal infants based on fossils found in Russia and Syria, showing that they had brains as large as modern humans' at birth and larger than modern humans' as adults.[8] On average, the height of Neanderthals was comparable to contemporaneous Homo sapiens. Neanderthal males stood about 165–168 cm (65–66 in), and were heavily built with robust bone structure. They were much stronger than Homo sapiens, having particularly strong arms and hands.[9] Females stood about 152–156 cm (60–61 in).[10]

So, they might have been a subspecies of humanity.

They sound.. Scary...

[Celadon's Penultimate]

What in THEE heck are you talking about?

Shadowulf1 wrote

Don't you get it, Phi? The atheists have already tried to explain it away as an accident of the universe. The agnostics have said there's no way to know AT ALL (the best they can do to comprehend it is feeble human research, subject to human error and such).

You said there's no way to know for sure, right? That's what I said. That's what I KEEP saying. So why is it bothering you so? You said you're Agnostic, and that's what agnostic means.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

They were said to have been a subspecies. That much has already been established. And they were unintelligent brutes, by anyone's standards.

[Zaleramancer]

Meh..

It was mostly the post after that..


I don't automatically look at anything supernatural and think "FAIL, It doesn't exist/not real".

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Kay, well, still, I feel that's valid as well. You would be unable to believe for sure unless you saw it for yourself, correct? I think I know the answer. I just satirized it a bit, all in good fun.

[Zaleramancer]

Yeah..

From what I've read, they were a bit less intelligent.


But physically, They'd be much stronger.


 

Neanderthal anatomy was more robust and cold adapted than modern humans. Neanderthals were generally only 12–14 cm (5–6 in) shorter than 21st century humans, contrary to a common view of them as "very short" or "just over 5 feet". Based on 45 long bones from (at most) 14 males and 7 females, Neanderthal males averaged 164–168 cm (65–66 in) and females 152–156 cm (60–61 in) tall.[1] An example of sample of 26 specimens in 2010 found an average weight for males of 77.6kg for males and 66.4 kg for females.[2]

Neanderthals had more robust build and distinctive morphological features, especially of the cranium, which gradually accumulated more derived aspects, particularly in certain relatively isolated geographic regions. Evidence suggests they were much stronger than modern humans;[3] their relatively robust stature is thought to be an adaptation to the cold climate of Europe during the Pleistocene epoch.

A 2007 study suggested some Neanderthals may have had red hair and pale skin color.[4][5]

Interesting..

[Zaleramancer]

Or someone I trusted told me they'd seen it.

Within reason..

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Um...and this belongs in the Supernatural discussion thread, which I just recently resurrected.

[Zaleramancer]

Moving it there.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I've seen visions of Heaven and Hell, and Angels and Demons. And God has spoken to me, and touched me on my shoulder before. My mother's dreamed the future before, a gift which my sister (sometimes) shares with her. Does any of THAT count?

If not, then read this, and see if I could just come up with THAT off the top of my head...

http://superpower-list-forum.2863604.n2.nabble.com/Stuff-by-Shadowulf-td6012918i20.html#a6054092

[Zaleramancer]

Shadowulf, you're starting it again..