Overlord/Warlords

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 So basically dividing the world into Black people, White people, Hispanics and Asians, with no care for the little differences in between, like Middle Eastern and Australian aboriginal?

No matter, it's not just my story anyhow. Whatever helps you orient yourself somehow in the world, no matter the minor detail that needs changing, go for it. My only concern is that they are not all the same (turn into bat, drink blood, vulnerable to sunlight, *derp* ).

I'm the kind that appreciates a wide buffet, be it food or freaks of nature.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

Or maybe we could just drop the supernatural angle altogether. Things would be rendered much simpler, more streamlined.

[Zaleramancer]

Whoa Whoa Whoa.


Do you have any idea how insulting that comes across as?


I'm not participating in the Evo RP now.

Have fun.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 You and your getting insulted.

 Mmkay. Good luck with me deleting every post I've ever done in every other RP I've ever participated in, that involves you. Or, we could act like mature people and practice what we said we would practice before. What happened to you asking me what I meant before getting offended?

You think that's my best shot when I'm trying to be insulting? Surely, I thought you knew me better than that...

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 As I said before, either way is fine with me. As long as we can come to a decent consensus. I like the idea of mythical creatures, but very little of the story I've helped devise so far is etched in stone. A lot is available to change, as long as it sounds good.

[Zaleramancer]

I do, but you compared classifying types of vampires with somewhat racist behavior.

You drew a parallel between me and.. those people.

I just want everything to make sense, because I get antsy when it doesn't! D:>

IT BOTHERS ME LIKE AN ITCH YOU CAN'T SCRATCH!

If someone points out a gaping hole in the setting of a book, I'll never be able to enjoy it again.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 Racist? I never meant anything of the sort; I see no more parallel between you and them, than you see between me and Li'l Wayne or Jay-Z. I just meant to say that it puts folks into kind of a box if they make a character that doesn't quite fit the paradigm of what we've set forth. I had an experience once with an RP site that shall not be named, and it bothered the living crap out of me. I tried to make a character, and they wouldn't let me use him because he was a werewolf, and werewolves 'aren't Heroes'.

That was perhaps the most annoying thing I have ever dealt with at that time. I couldn't even retaliate because they were the people in charge, and they would have banned me. So I left. It's part of how I found here.

And anyhow, despite the fact that I am varied on what qualifies the existence of given mythical creatures, it should be known that I'm not completely willy-nilly.

[Zaleramancer]

I'm merely trying to classify abilities, not character.

One kind of vampires might burn in the sun and be super-strong, another might not mind the sun but be harmed by silver...

Hell, if you want you could just say that since Vampirism is a Magical Mutagenic Virus, it simply changes randomly from infectee to infectee, but because Magic is a stubborn thing, it causes certain traits to continue to reappear.

That makes some sense.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 Well, why didn't you say so? If that was all you wanted to know, then I could have told you from the get-go that vampires are commonly blood-suckers, with at least one persuasive capability (Mind Control, Telepathy, Possession, Hypnotic Charm, whatever), at least one enhanced attribute (Strength, Speed, Reflexes, whatever) and at least one preserving or recuperating ability (Rapid Regeneration, Longevity, limited Shapeshifting, whatever). Likewise, they typically exhibit at least one of the typical vampy weaknesses.Their magical nature as shapeshifters causes the specific manifestations to vary, but with at least those three as staples.The only exceptions are half-breeds, which super-sensors, power sensors and the like can easily nose out as distinct from true vamps.

Likewise, for Werecreatures, some can shapeshift voluntarily without the moon, but the moon ALWAYS causes involuntary transformation. And typically, they retain at least one enhanced attribute in unshifted form. Not to mention, many can do partial shifts (such as taking on only werecat claws, or only werewolf fangs, or only wereboar tusks). However, they can all shapeshift (duh), and though only a few can psychically command their therianthropic totem (cats for werecats, dogs for weredogs, etc), all can psychically perceive and communicate with their therianthropic totem (again, except for the half-breeds).

I mean, these are even the rules of Celadon! I thought I told you guys this by now!

[Zaleramancer]

That misses out on the little things that make Mythical creatures fun.

What's the point if they're just humans + odd superpowers?

Oddities of psychology, predatory movement, strange shadows, a lack of breath.

Vampires are a whole new breed of beings. They were once human, but are not any longer.

What are they?

Predators in a human skin, who move with the cool and murderous grace of a panther?

People who's suave and elegant facades conceal a raw and animal lust?

Changeless beings, lifeless and trapped, frozen in amber at the moment of their death?

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Zaleramancer wrote

That misses out on the little things that make Mythical creatures fun.

What's the point if they're just humans + odd superpowers?

Oddities of psychology, predatory movement, strange shadows, a lack of breath.

Vampires are a whole new breed of beings. They were once human, but are not any longer.

What are they?

Predators in a human skin, who move with the cool and murderous grace of a panther?

People whose suave and elegant facades conceal a raw and animal lust?

Changeless beings, lifeless and trapped, frozen in amber at the moment of their death?

 All of those things, naturally (Why would I put those traits and more on Warriors of Myth wiki, if I saw them as little more than humans + superpowers?). I mean, even Bella could tell a vamp from a normal human by THOSE traits. But you asked for distinguishing traits, and that's what I gave you. Not to mention, of course, that they are highly social (tending to gather in groups), and they are usually found wearing perfume or cologne, even in a world that often doesn't call for it. One guess as to why.

[Zaleramancer]

It doesn't make much sense for them to be social.

It's not like they need each other to acquire prey, so others are merely competition.

And I'm not certain why they would smell, unless they rotted or smelled of the grave.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 Why do vampire bats swarm? Why did Dracula have his harem of three? With the capability of folks to regenerate and resurrect and replicate and resist conversion, competition is somewhat diminished. Besides, screwing the same folks gets boring after a while.

And we all know that vampirism doesn't happen immediately. It takes a little while; usually long enough for them to be considered truly dead, but before rigor mortis sets in. They could be picked up by any trusty dog, or any sensor worth his salt (including werewolves and other vampires), as being no longer alive. Even born vampires might smell deathly, simply by their magical nature.

Though, if that doesn't jive with you, then by all means, we can put it up to a vote.

[Zaleramancer]

Actually, Vampires should be knowledge, if no one else, of how to kill their own kind. If there's to many vampires in one area, it becomes difficult for them all to get their fix of blood.

This does explain why Vampires might gravitate to cities. More prey, higher predator population.

So Rural Vamps would be less social than Urban ones.

Dracula had a small harem, but not a whole Court of twenty or thirty.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Zaleramancer wrote

Actually, Vampires should [sic] be knowledge, if no one else, of how to kill their own kind. If there's to many vampires in one area, it becomes difficult for them all to get their fix of blood.

This does explain why Vampires might gravitate to cities. More prey, higher predator population.

So Rural Vamps would be less social than Urban ones.

Yes. Precisely.

Zaleramancer wrote

Dracula had a small harem, but not a whole Court of twenty or thirty.

I'm aware. What vampire would have twenty or thirty?  I said highly social, not stupid. However many they have, they have to provide for. Which is why the Count had three. Any other sexual interests or servants, they go out and get, most likely on a temporary basis. And still, they keep their numbers low, usually within the single digits.

[Zaleramancer]

I'm talking about a Court, as in powerful Vampires and all of those that they have Turned (Bodyguards, Sex-Slaves, Servants, Diplomats) as well as the loads of mundane people they control.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Yes, what about them? They're not common. Of the vampires that exist, only among the most powerful, most experienced vampires have set-ups like those. You might see the occasional brothel run by a vampire, populated with the odd succubus, but those types of things aren't everywhere.

[Zaleramancer]

Why don't they form larger groups?

I thought they were social. :P

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 Bloodsucker politics, that's why, smarty-pants. They don't have the same ideas about the world. And they don't all just immediately like and get along with each other, just because they're all vampires. Being highly social just means to me that they like parties and sex and mingling and whatnot. Not that they immediately flock to one another to form allied legions of undead.

They work similar to gangs, or crime families. This crew and that crew are cool, but this crew and THAT crew are rivals. I don't like his attitude. Don't hang out with her people. They're trash. They're scum. They're low-lives. Even putting hits out on each other, or at least the vampire equivalent. They can squabble over land and territory and prey and property just like any other race.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

Also, forming big groups make it more likely that someone like Wayne is going to be able to shoot everyone in the face.