Lords of Creation 15 (OCC)

[Zaleramancer]

So.

All the races are somehow equal, because there is a theoretical way to defeat each one?

[Zaleramancer]

So, you're going to be a smart-ass and turn my argument around on me.

Good. I like that. It lets me see the flaws in my logic.

[Marvelous Miscreant]

Isn't that basically what you're advocating Zale? Only in your purposed form, the races even out through numbers compared to powers based in classification.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

Fine, I'll buy that.

Milteos have huge stone claws that can pierce stone.

Shardmind get tough crystalline bodies, telepathy, and magical affinity.

These things are not equal. Which is the mythical race, and which is the mundane?

[Zaleramancer]

I don't care anymore.

Screw the rules. I wasted my time even bothering with them.

[Marvelous Miscreant]

Admittedly, it is not a perfect systems, but it adds at least some separation amongst that multitude of uneven races and powers. Do you prefer no separation in which a Shardmind is supposed to be on level with a Durhian, despite the gap in skill and power?

[Marvelous Miscreant]

No, no, no...I will not have you think that way. You've already cleared up much and solved many issues. The rules you've implemented are helping. This one hiccup should not deter you from this noble cause.

[Zaleramancer]

It's not a goddamn hiccup.

It's a recurring pattern. Anytime I EVER try to make rules, people bitch.

Regardless of what I do, what path I take, what I try, people complain.

I start off actually enjoying myself, but it ends with me feeling like a stupid ass. Always!

I think I'm working towards a compromise and then people decide they want something else. Or I find out my rules shatter like glass if you do something.

And I can't fix it without pissing everyone off by changing things.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

I prefer to see it as the Durhian and the Shardmind are skilled at different things.

The shardmind is good at magic, and can read minds, but could never be as good a builder as the Durhian. It doesn't have that ability. In that vein, a Durhian wouldn't be as good at gathering materials as a Milteo, who's can't fly like a Vandal, who's never going to be as good an artist as a Bouquabian, who can't travel in shadows like a Shadow-Scarred.

They all fill their own social niche, using what they have.

[Zaleramancer]

Please, tell me what the Draemar's niche is.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

What niche did you want for them?

[Zaleramancer]

If I knew that, would I have asked?

[Marvelous Miscreant]

Here's the thing Zale. Everyone is different. We all have different opinions and nothing is ever going to line up perfectly. Trying to accommodate everyone sometimes ends badly. Nobody is ever going to be 100% happy with the rules. But that's okay, it doesn't mean you've done a poor job.

The only important thing you need to remember, is that its your RP. If you lay out a rule, that's the way its going to be. You and you alone can steer the thread to make it great. Yes, sometimes listening to your player's needs is a good thing, but they don;t control the RP. You do. If you want to do things your way... do it! If you want to use a suggestion of a player...go ahead. But do not doubt yourself, no matter what is said.

Being a player and complaining is easy...

DMing is hard.

You've done great so far and I'll be damned if I let you give up now.

(If my speech has failed to inspire you I ask that you listen to some inspirational music and have a revelation that you can do this.)

[Zaleramancer]

They were made with the assumption all of the Races would be human-close, non-supernatural.

Which proved to be incorrect.

The fact that they invented a form of magic was more Zaya's meddling and sheer stuborness than any magical gift. In fact, they're terrible at magic compared to any race that was blessed with it by a deity.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

Maybe they're excellent Governors by nature, maybe it's producing great theatrical works, maybe sorcery is their particular forte.

I can't decide that for you.

[Zaleramancer]

Considering their whole style of magic was bent around trying to make efficient use of what little magical talent they had..

(I apologize for taking out my grumpiness on you. It's quite undeserved.)

Making them good Govenors or Actors seems..

Pale.

[Gentleman Vaultboy]

Really?

Imagine Vetinari as a race.

Or you could just not give them a hat. Just have them be people. Lots a different people doing lots of different things. Someone studying metallurgy, another running a saloon where others come in to get their skin shined. Maybe boxing is an emerging form of entertainment, sparks literally flying as they knock one another around.

I mean, I always assumed they were less Vandal exoskeleton and more moving statues. You know, made of metal. If I had started using one, that's how I would have played it. When they move to fast, it sounds like a battleship settling.

[Zaleramancer]

What if we just made Mythic a level of power.

Mortal<Mythic<Divine

Could apply to Artifacts.

Mortal would be powerful magical items, but far from unique.

Mythic would be powerful items that entire wars are fought over.

Divine would be the fantasy equivalent of a nuke. Something that could turn an entire city of people into pillars of salt if dropped.

I'm thinking about streamlining a few things. Perhaps simplifying.

I still think that a divine between Fabulous Peoples (Such as the Vampires and Succubi) and Mythical Beasts (Such as a Kraken or Dragon) should be made.

Any suggestions on this split or if/how it should be made are welcome.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Ok, so then would half-gods, the children of a mortal and a god, be considered Mythic?

[Marvelous Miscreant]

How's this sound. Any child of a god and a mortal is mortal unless motes are spent in equivalence to the desired level up to demigod. So that nobody can make mythics or demigods without spending motes...