Superhuman/Supernatural/Paranormal Rants (or Props)

[Wish]

The problem with time stop.

1. if this is stopped shouldn't light stop too if so then you won't be able to see
2. The same for air shouldn't resistance increase if it is stopped?
3. For those that say you go so fast that time seems like it's stopping then how are you supposed to grab things when time is stopped. You would be so fast that touching something would cause it to explode.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Two words; Time Defiance. Overcome all those things if you have that power. Your body is kinda made up of "anti-time" that prevents you from affecting time negatively, or from time affecting you negatively. You don't distort time, and you can still age, it's just preventing any temporal mess-ups on your part.

[jester_of_god]

shadowulf v.s. Fenrisulfur...

[neogenetica]

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[Zaleramancer]

One thing that has ALWAYS bugged by about time stoppage is this...


If you stop time somewhere, wouldn't you have to stop time EVERYWHERE?

I mean, lets say you stop time for five minutes in one city. Even if you ignore the whole, not moving and therefore having the earth keep moving without it thing, there's still the fact that the whole city would pretty much "loose" five minutes of time comparative to the rest of the universe.

Or if you stopped the entire EARTH, all of the seasons would be slightly off and the position of the stars compared to the earth would seem to "shift" because the whole earth stopped...

Beyond that, I found a book with a character who's way of speaking I love... Simi is her name.

Simi wrote

"What?" (Nick)

"You one of them humans can’t follow Simi speak. That’s okay. This is why the Simi don’t bother talking to most humans ‘cause, no offense, you all weird. Some of you even stupid. Real stupid. Like stump stupid. It’s the lack of hornays, I say. See, only really smart creatures have hornays…except for them moo moo cows – they not bright. But akri says there’s always an exception to every rule. So they would be the exception to the hornay one. But they taste really good so the Simi will forgive them for bringing down her bell curve of superior intellect over all the other nonhorned subspecies. " -Simi



"What are you talking about? Are you for real?" - Nick

"What do you mean? The Simi’s not turning invisible again, is she? Ooo, that would be bad. I promised akri I wouldn’t do that no more in public places. But sometimes the Simi can’t help it. Kind of like putting barbecue sauce on salads. It’s just mandatory and reflexive ‘cause you gots to kill the taste of the ick rabbit food." (Simi)

[jester_of_god]

You have insulted my species, my good creature, and thusly I challenge you to a joust.

So what is this book

[jester_of_god]

Your thinking of the time stream as an acutal physical force. I think that it flows more like the pages in a book. Time stop simply allows you to stay on one page longer than you normally would.

[Zaleramancer]

Infinity by Sherrilyn Kenyon

[Zaleramancer]

Well time and space are connected, right?

So when time stops, space would to. That is, all movement stops and freezes.

So if the time in a defined small place stopped, then outside of it everything would move normally, correct?

If so, then there would be a difference to the people inside if they even if they were also frozen. Because they're stopped, what seems like nothing to them can be a 10 minutes, 5 days, even years to the people outside.

Outside of it would keep going while the inside was still.


The thing is, how do you get people to not notice that every clock in there is behind? Or prevent people outside from noticing how the people who were stopped haven't changed or been missing?

[Celadon's Penultimate]

No...time is an energy, or a force. It can be bent like space. If you distort space you can travel to a different location; if you distort time, you move to the same place, simply at a different time. If you accelerate space, things move faster and are subject to physical limits (friction, air pressure, etc.); if you accelerate time, things move faster and are NOT subject to physical limits. If you change space in one location, it causes matter to move in a different direction, or at a different pace; if you change time in one location, it causes matter to move in the same direction, while only the speed may change (unless you reverse it). There. Hope that says something.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Space and time are not always directly connected. Otherwise, if a person ever stopped time, they would be incapable of restarting it. I.E., to prevent this phenomenon, Time Defiance.

[jester_of_god]

          No, Time is not a force. You were describing the motion of matter. Time is the way that the motion is percieved. It is true that if you speed up time things appear to be moving at a faster rate when actually they are moving in the same speed that they normally would except you perception of that motion makes it seem likeit is moving faster. By stopping time you enter a state where you are completely cut off from the rest of the time stream and you enter a state where you are stuck in that instant. In all practicality this would mean that you would immediately become blind because any light outside of your small field of incluence is in fact stopped. You may still be able to breath simply by the chance that by stopping time you create a small field around yourself through which time would move normally, therefore you could breath and pick up items by expanding your field to influence them as well as yourself. If you look at it this way then all of the other problems with stopping time such as, the earth is still moving, or the time difference in the area which is stopped would cease to be a problem, because instead of stopping all of time you are adjusting your own to move at an almost infinitely faster pace which would be equivalent to it taking three thousand years for a flash light beam to move four inches. If time manipulation was simply speeding up or slowing down atoms then you would spontaneously combust as soon as you tried decelerate time, or you would simply freeze to death as soon as you tried to accellerate time, or maybe vice versa it depends on how you look at it.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Well, if time is simply perception of motion, then basically a chronokinetic would not need to exert any influence over time; rather, he would have to possess the power Chronopathy (the power to perceive time), accompanied by the ability to CONTROL this perception; slowing this perception allows slowing of time to the user, and therefore, acceleration of motion on HIS part. I see where you're going with that, but it has a few holes. Time MUST be an influence, a fundamental force, just like strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force, gravity and electromagnetism, otherwise, how would a chronokinetic or a time-traveler move THROUGH time? By having the power Precognition or Retrocognition (perceiving the future moving you INTO the future; perceiving the past moving you INTO the past)? If that were so, then every Precog must be somehow capable of manipulating and/or traveling through time (and furthermore, a precog, upon receiving visions, would be involuntarily thrust further and further into the future; for a postcog/retrocog, the opposite would be the case). Therefore, I conclude that time is not merely a concept (like centripetal or centrifugal force), it must be an actual force. Although, SIMILAR effects could be achieved by an alteration of one's perception of motion.

[Zaleramancer]

Ahem.




There is a way to bold text you know?



Remember the blunt object.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

erm...let's not be hasty...

And anyways, I like the emphasis, is all. Just bear with me.

[jester_of_god]

It is very simple to travel through time using my definition of it. Well there is an easy way and a hard way. The hard way is sort of like reading a book. To travel forward in time you would have to decrease your perception of time to the point that everything around you is moving at an incredible pace, Which is incredibly dificult because the area around you is always changing, therefore you might end up being impaled by an oak tree. A way to go back in time incredbily difficult. Once you go to the point of stopping your perception of time completely, you must go one step further and start percieving what happened an instant before the second where time stopped slowly turn it back, this is incredibly difficult because you are working in the opposite direction in which time usually flows. It's about as difficult as swimming against the current in a river. If you wish to go back in time using this method more than a few seconds or a minute then it would feel more like swimming up a waterfall, while someone is sitting on your shoulders.
       Then there is an easier way. You could compleetely break yourself of from the time stream completely breaking off your perception of time and entering a sort of pocket dimension, from there you could pick and choose which section of time you wish to enter, like the pages of a book, and then jump back into the time stream at that certain point.
       I understand how this view of time could also lead you to attempt to argue that this would mean that time is still a force by referencing my mention of the time stream, but that is not the case. Time is not exactly a force, it is a dimension that we are able to percieve just like the first three of width, depth, and length. Time is what allows us to have motion because it supplies the incrimants in which an object can exist and act. One section of the time stream is like the picture of a cartoon, except seperated into an impossibly small incrimants. So what I'm trying to get across is that time is not a force like gravity or radiation it is instead one of the characteristics of the dimension itself and the ability to controll time is the ability to percieve and move through this dimension.

[jester_of_god]

sorry if I might ramble on a bit there I have a cold today, but I think that theres a point in there somewhere.

[jester_of_god]

Precog retrocog argument. Not neccessarily.  because a precog or retro cog could also just be a person that has a limited axcess to something like the akashic record that allows them to see a small amount of the future and past in segmented incrimants...However from the viewpoint of time travel they could also have the ability to open a small mental window into a different section of the dimension of time and view it for a short period while there physical body remains in their current time.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

"working in the opposite direction in which time usually flows"; you just said time doesn't flow, because it isn't a force. It's a type of perception, and therefore, is not capable of doing anything. It's a notion, just like a daydream or an idea...right?

"You could compleetely [sic] break yourself of from the time stream completely breaking off your perception of time"; Again, this is assuming that time is a force. If you lose perception of time, then you would be frozen in place forever, incapable of moving forward or backward or any other way (no way to orient yourself in space-time, because to you, all space and all time is the same: nonexistent to your perceptions). If time is based on perception, then it is not only accomplished by the ability to perceive the future and the past (Precognition and Postcognition/Retrocognition), it is accomplished by the ability to cast Illusions (because some superhumans in fiction can slow time in one area, while time maintains its flow in another (how the DC villain Zoom achieves his superspeed); how would you explain that phenomenon?

[jester_of_god]

First off. When I said break off your perception of time completely, this would not make you completely frozen in time. because as I explained earlier when you change your perception of time you create a field of influence around yourself in which time seems to flow regularly to you, therefor allowing you to move. You can completely break yourself by creating a small bubble of time because your area of influence would serve as a seperate dimension, and you would only stay in that dimension for a fraction of a second as you jumped to a different "area of time."
       As for your illusion argument. By creating a spere of influence around another area instead of creating one around yourself you can slow or speed up it's perception of time through the same means that you slow down or speed up your own.
       Time doesn't neccessarily flow persay, but we ourselves move through time in a certain direction. You can run downhill, but it's a lot harder to walk uphill backwards.
      Perception: by perception of time I was speaking of how we percieve time as moving, even though technically it never does. Time is a dimesion like height width and depth. We have the ability to move through time, but only forward, and at a set pace.