Yet another Lords of Creation OCC (7)

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Yeah. I mean, even Babaraina, one of my strongest weapons in Celadon, has its origins here as a mundane greatsword.

[Marvelous Miscreant]

Precisely, we can't allow anyone to just make one artifact that mass produces objects of near equivalent power to an artifact. It just isn't fair.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Yeah, and besides, we have no need for divine weapons right now. This is a game among unbiased parties.

Wait until we get monsters and villains and such before you start whippin' out the weapons of hurty painfulness.

[Mik_Hael]

They wouldn't be of equal power though. I fight between me and Gilgamesh using divine artifacts was basically the equivalent of shooting the spear of destiny tied to Excalibur from Apollo's bow.  I'm talking about making something that you might see a wizard or spell sword using. It wouldn't have any point alteration in battles against the overs.

[Marvelous Miscreant]

There are divine artifacts and artifacts.....You still can;t have an artifact that makes other artifacts.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

The crystal in itself is still a divine artifact, and you can't use one divine artifact to make another. Not to mention, most, if not all, of us are only using mundane weapons, therefore, you would have an unfair advantage.

[Mik_Hael]

fair enough.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 Thank you.

[Mik_Hael]

?

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I was thanking you for seeing reason.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

These are the same exact arguments I gave to Phi and he still didn't change his Elemental Forge's power which was to imbue enough power into what the Forge reforges that the items give a +2 bonus in Divine Combat, the equivalent of a Divine Artifact, with no limit whatsoever.

[Philote]

I still say the difference between an Artifact mass producing Artifacts and creating an Artifact that can be used by more than one person at a time is quite large. The created items wouldn't have the special powers equivalent of tier actions that make an Artifact an Artifact. All the power would be held by the original Divine Artifact.

If Jester wanted to make a Divine Artifact that made weapons that changed depending on the owners domain, it wouldn't be game breaking. Each weapon wouldn't be a Divine Artifact itself.

I have to go for a little bit so I won't be able to respond right away.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

They might not have the effects but as far as Divine Combat is concerned the reforged items are Divine Artifacts. Your multi-use Divine Artifacts are fine if they are say utilities but when it comes to the Elemental Forge, that one breaks the rule of no higher than a Tier 2 Divine action for Divine Artifacts.

[Zaleramancer]

Technically, a mortal could make an artifact. A mortal hero who devoted years to a weapon could cause the weapon to become an artifact..

Like a staff with a few small magic powers could absorb the power of a mage hero who held it, so that by the time the mage finally dies the staff possess great power..

Or a legendary sword smith could devote several years to planning and collecting materials to make a sword of extreme power.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

But that would take years for a mortal to make one whereas for a god it could take mere seconds to create 3 artifacts if they stored up enough motes.

[Mik_Hael]

I'm on Zale's and philotes side still, as long as it doesn't alter divine combat, and doesn't have the power to cause divine actions then it shouldn't matter.

[Zaleramancer]

Yes, exactly.

It's easy for gods. One expects it to be.

[Zaleramancer]

Well, what kind of things would these weapons of yours do?

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Phi did say though that his mass produced items from his Elemental Forge gave a +2 in Divine Combat, so having him on your side is actually contradictory to one of your points. And he did state that in the original debate between the two of us in the last thread.

[Mik_Hael]

Not much, just used to amplify and direct domain power.