Yet another Lords of Creation OCC (7)

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

What I calculate it as is:

Over: +40 (+30 +10 (5 Divine Artifacts)
Major 1: +6
Major 2: +6
Major 3: +6
Major 4: +6
Major 5: +6
Minor 1: +2
Minor 2: +2
Minor 3: +2
Minor 4: +2
Demi 1: +.5
Demi 2: +.5
Demi 3: +.5
Demi 4: +.5

Total: +80

That's with only the Over God having Divine Artifacts and there should only be 5 left thus raising it to a maximum of +90. And even then some of your Divine Artifacts are not ones that can actually be used in a fight, so I still don't see how you get +120 as you should only be able to equip a maximum of 31 Artifacts still but you can't have that many, though that would raise you to a maximum of +121. Also, Defensive Divine Artifacts are -1 to opponent and utility ones don't have any value so I repeat how does your math make sense?

[Philote]

Offensive and Defensive Divine Artifacts are the same now.

I made some Divine Artifacts that can be used by multiple people.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Please tell me which of your Divine Artifacts are offensive, which are defensive and which are utilities. Please also indicate which ones can be used by multiple people. I really think that multiple user Divine Artifacts should count as only one total overall for Divine Combat purposes instead of a separate one for each God.

[Philote]

Well the change in combat advantage for offensive or defensive is equal at the moment, so it doesn't matter which way you use a Divine Artifact.

I can spend some extra motes later for the multiple user effect if its a problem, I've had it for the whole RP so far though so I don't see why I should change it at this point.

The multiple user ones are the Well of Eternity, Grand Mind, and Elemental Forge.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

I think that the Well of Eternity is more of a utility as are the other two and thus would not really count for the purpose of Divine Artifacts in Divine Combat. Plus, the Elemental Forge remakes things but its bonus should not transfer over to other things otherwise you're technically breaking the rule of no more than ten Divine Artifacts. The Grand Mind also is more of for communication but it shouldn't be able to do fast calculations and transmissions required for battle otherwise it too is broken. And even the Mana battery (Mugen no Magatama) that I have was not counted during the Divine War as a bonus thus your Well of Eternity should not count for Divine Combat either.

[Philote]

We technically don't even need a limit on Divine Artifacts anymore since you can't go past a certain combat modifier anyways.

You can use your Divine Artifacts in the same way, I'm just the first to reach the cap.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

... That just sounds bad as you helped get the limit on Divine Artifacts made. Plus, like I said the Elemental Forge's Divine Combat bonus should not go over to things it makes, because then you have an item that creates Divine Artifacts for free which of course is actually cheating because that is not a Tier 2 Divine Action. That's actually beyond Tier 2. As for the Well of Eternity, it has the same effect as my Magatama but my Magatama by Zale's ruling has no effect on Divine Combat thus yours shouldn't either.

[Philote]

That was before we had the limit on Spirits and what Spirits could equip, when we had the limits I asked Zale about removing the Divine Artifact limit because it wasn't needed.

Why did he say you couldn't have Magatama add on to your combat advantage? Is it just an Artifact and not Divine Artifact?

I can spend more motes later to buff them, but I can't really change them at this point.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Well, we still have both limits and my point stands that you cannot have a Divine Artifact that creates Divine Artifacts. Create Divine Artifact is a Tier 4 Divine Action and Divine Artifacts are limited to Tier 2 and below.

My magatama is a Divine Artifact yes, but it's neither offensive nor defensive which is why it was ruled that it doesn't count for Divine Combat and thus neither the Grand Mind nor the Well of Eternity should count for Divine Combat.

And I really think that Divine Artifacts shouldn't be able to be boosted by Miracles or Blessings as they already are supposed to be extremely powerful.

[Philote]

It isn't creating Divine Artifacts, it is just giving combat advantage to those that use it just like all other Divine Artifacts.

Just use it offensively then?

You're trying to make my Divine Artifacts useless now, you can do the same as me so I'm leaving them as they are for now.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Making your Divine Artifacts useless? No, I am not. I am however trying to point out that they are stronger than they should be especially the Elemental Forge. If it gives every single item created by it a +2 for Divine Combat then it is literally creating the equivalent of a Divine Artifact which means that it is using a Tier 4 Divine Action and it should be much weaker than that. And yes, that is in essence what you said it does.

[Mik_Hael]

Welp, I'm starting to get annoyed, can someone explain this.

What exactly is the combat cap.

Exactly how many divine artifacts can we make?

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Maximum number of Divine Artifacts is 10 right now.

As for what this is about, you should read it and then you'll understand what it is about.

[Zaleramancer]

Where does it say he can do that?

[Zaleramancer]

That's not condescending at all.

[Zaleramancer]

Phi changed somethings, so I'm not really sure.

I'm beginning to regret numerous things.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

If you're talking about the Elemental Forge, then what it's power is is to imbue its power into any item forged or reforged by it. However, Phi is saying that makes those items have a +2 in Divine Combat which makes them the equals of Divine Artifacts. That means that his Elemental Forge in essence creates Divine Artifacts for free. The limit according to the rules on the powers of Divine Artifacts is the euivalent of Tier 2, however it is above Tier 2 to create a Divine Artifact or its equivalent. Thus, that is why I object to his Elemental Forge.

If you're refering to his Major God, then he might have changed his post but it originally said that Titan could take on the attributes of any Artifact, and it didn't specify what type, so I objected.

[Zaleramancer]

[Marvelous Miscreant]

[Philote]

What point would the forge have if it didn't do that? It would be useless then.

Besides, giving the bonus and creating a Divine Artifact is two completely different things.

Zale, would you mind if I got rid of the 10 Divine Artifact limit, it serves no purpose anymore.