Superhuman/Supernatural/Paranormal Rants (or Props)

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Jester, please! He is not Voldemort, or Candyman, or the Boogeyman! He's always present. Wherever evil is present and you don't see the devil HIMSELF, you see his workers.

I'm not scared of him. I've dealt with him many times, and I always come out on top.

And besides, I only said that because that's the only way you can really know for yourself. Screw material evidence. How can you have material evidence for an immaterial God, anyway? Answer: You can only see it through His works and his influence. But since He's immaterial, He's not taking credit for the things He's done. And these foul unworthy heathens would rather take that as proof that He isn't real, or that He's no good. I find it offensive and insulting to the utmost.

[neogenetica]

If you believe in the devil just trick them like that cunning person did and was not permitted in even hell.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

UGGGGHHHH, not now, Neo, serious convo.

[jester_of_god]

...odly sain coming from you...I think your avatar may be affecting you, or maybe you just prefer to keep things light like I try to...when I get dark I get dark........................................So what ever happened to robot jones. It was an alright T.V show and had a good fusion of comedy. Speaking of which why do all of these comedy shows have so much potential to be an actual action program with a good storyline end up degrading into senseless comedy and ass such get cancled before their time.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

smh..why do people fear an in-depth conversation about religion? Does the thought of God annoy you THAT much?

[jester_of_god]

      Jack's life sucks, askk him yourself, he's spent the last few hundred years wandering the earth in an abysmal lymbo from which their is no escape and as such shall continue to do so until the rest of the world crumbles around him, never finding a moments rest as he is restricted form accessing either heaven nor hell.

      Speaking the name of a spirit allows him access to your spirit and soul, because you and the area around you automatically welcome his existence thusly allowing him to occupy a space in which normally would be at least trying to resist his influence, even if it was not successfull.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Oh, okay...I see where this is headed. This is no longer "Christian territory..." You've devolved it back into a convo about some game or something...

[jester_of_god]

No i just don't like it because people get so emotionally into their conversations, I'm one of them actually. I'm sorry but i'm unfortunately one of the people who have the more radical reactions to challenges to christianity to the point of a sudden spike in bloodlust. If I ever try to get into one of these discussions it might turn out uggly or leaving one of us going on a homicidal rampage,and truthfully I don't think that would help anyone, but if you want I'll drop the optimistic peacekeeper act and actually emerse myself into this discussion.

[jester_of_god]

No most of my theories come from catholic exorcism practices

[jester_of_god]

We wer talking about jack from the legend of the Jack o lantern. The one where there was a man who was so wicked that neither heaven nor hell would except him, and as such he was banished to walk the earth for the rest of eternity.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Well, I can't honestly say it's important that you do. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, then maybe it is about to escalate too far. Even so, I just wish that everyone I knew could go to heaven, corny as THAT sounds. My idea is that every TRULY honest-to-goodness Christian goes to Heaven, right? Therefore, I ask that people give Him a try. I know that not everybody will go, but you know...

At least if I can't ask THAT, please just don't throw around words like Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence as though they are weak capabilities like the rest of the powers out there. It makes light of what I believe, and it's disrespectful, even if we DON'T share beliefs, don't you agree?

EDIT: Oh, yeah, I know that story; never looked into it too much, though. Dunno why...

[Zaleramancer]

Zaleramancer wrote

It's funny though, the rest it reminds me of some atheistic arguments.

That, simply put, all religious people are committing gross self-deception and purposely burying their minds in religion because they fear the idea of a death of nothing.

I don't agree with that ideal really. I think religions are a nice starting point to draw ethical and moral guidelines from, and that they make the world a better place, some moreso than others.

I don't think you're all a bunch of delusional people.

I don't agree with it anymore than you agree with someone worshiping a stump.


And just because I admire them doing the right thing does not mean I think every religious person is being moral for only that.

You do it because you love God. That's why you got angry..

I'm sorry for my mistake in posting.

I did not mean to offend anyone, to blaspheme anything.

I won't post again for awhile.. Don't worry.

 Bye.

[jester_of_god]

No these conversations don't make me uncomfortable, it's more ike my natural state, unfortuantley I tend to scare other people and lead to them second guessing themselves when I do, so I tend to avoid them.

[jester_of_god]

ah, we drove off zalermancer, just when I was starting to regain my philisophical state,oh well, you were a good adversary and opposite to a general view that provided a good sense of the opposing views of religion without dissolving into yet another fight based on "this is the truth, and that's that" or "If you look at it your way then this could not possibly exist." I hope you post again soon. In the mean time lets see if anyone is willing to continue this discussion.

[jester_of_god]

omnipotence in itself is not a power to begin with so I am not aware of the reson of why it was even proposed on this site to begin with. Omnipotence is a defyning characteristic possessed ony by the lord almighty hollowed be his name, and should be classified as much of a power as red hair.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Strangely, sometimes, starting debates must be done. It's always good to get others thinking. Not like with extremist views and such (killing gays and Jews and stuff, now that's just WRONG), but if you think somebody has a bad idea, don't stand back just cause a GOOD idea doesn't sound appealing to them.

Now, as for me, I'm not Catholic, but I do think that religion is very important. I think that Christianity (Protestant I guess) is very important to salvation, and without it, MANY people will be lost; you might disagree. But this should lead to a HEALTHY debate, like on a debate team or something. The only kind you should avoid is the kind that goes nowhere, with neither side budging, and it basically being about to escalate to the point of disrespect or violence.

But, yeah, that's just fine, we can talk about something else (I notice you tried to interject distractions throughout the discussion anyway; I'll give you some slack ).

EDIT: Oh, you're talking about it again? Well, now I'M off the topic. Dang, we need to plan ahead or something...

And as for Zale, I'm almost positive that he'll be back. He doesn't seem like the back-down type.

[Philote]

I'm team Shadowulf1 in this debate

On a side note we need a word for limited omnipotence that is limited by range or what it can affect. That is not God's power or necessarily reality bending even, just some really strong power/control.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

YAY! Finally somebody else that's Pro-Wulfy!

And if I were you, I'd just go with Range Omnipotence or something. Omnipotence within a range. Or just Limited Omnipotence. Hm...I'll get on that. But, not now, I is conversatin' with the Zaleramancer.

[jester_of_god]

      When it comes to religion my friend almost all of the intelligent ones are the back down types, because these descussions do tend to lead to a high amount of strife. And again the view that you believe that the more radical extremes of this religion that believe that they must kill those who oppose their religion are wrong, is not entirely true. I do not agree that a certain group of people should be killed simply because they oppose our ideals of what is write and wrong, but they have a valid point as well. Religion is like a virus that spreads throughou the world. Infecting those who hear of it. In fact it's a bit like the children series, but I'm beggining to ramble. Religions will always have confllict in them because they are opposites of each other, as much so as the primary colors that make up our site. hearing this similie you might try to provide the argument that if this is true then there is a chance that two or more religions may learn to coexist, but unfortunately this is not the case. In the previous sentences of this post I had said that religion is like a virus, and humanity would be more liek a body. Then again thinkig of this perhaps religion is more like a body part as well. The more religions that make up a small space, the more strife and friction occurrs between those religions until the entire body begins to break dow. Honestlly in the world of faith it really is convert or kill. However this is more of a viewpoint shared with such lunatics as adolf hitler, but then again it is still true nonethe less. All religions have had some form of conflict in the past, and those that haven't do not last long in this world to begin with, with a few admitably rare exceptions. Another thing, if you believe that only those who are trully good and who love god get into heaven, what of theones who are not aware of his existence because they were never told of it, but are still good nonethe less, or maybe even more benign than those who believe in god. Also I don't really like all of the different "Christianities" to begin with, which is why I alwys refer to mysef as a christian. It's unfortunate, but the ony reason why their are so many to begin with is because people became greedy and descided to twist the word of god into one that better suited them and their ideals. Humorously one of the teachings of the bible is not to alter it's words in the first place, so it's probably likely that those who preached of salvation and tried to convert people into the religion simply in an attempt to expand the religion did not make it in, even if their followers did... i don't htink that humans really are fit to be the leaders of religion to begin with. If it were up to me I would have left it in the hands of the angels, but unfortunatley they do not seem to so themselves as regularly as they did in olden days, however it is possible that the occurrences you hear of in todays world of people having run ins with angels and demons are in fact true, well at least some of them, but in todays world of rationing they seem to discredit any of them and they are soon immediately forgotten or lost within a sea of lies that seem to populate such things. Honestly though their seemingly absent state may in fact be another test that we are being submitted to before the end days, but then again what do I know. I've actually been thinking something for a long time though Are humans really worth the effort to save, and see how they will turn out, or should we all be obliterated. Let's just say that it is a good thing that our god is so lenient in his statements. It sort of reminds me of the city of soddom. The specific part it reminds me of is the conversation before they even entered the city. Sort of like if their were ten good souls within the city it would not be destroyed. I wonder how long we will be able to keep up with that ration at the rate we seem to be spiralling. What do you think?

[jester_of_god]

we already have something like that on this sight. actually it's kind of like the ability Jester really, coupled with acashic record viewing.