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[Celadon's Penultimate]

Because you let them.

Who said something to upset poor Zale now?

[Zaleramancer]

Someone is using insane troll logic.

Then they get mad when I use it back.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Oh, dear.

Well, insane troll logic is only to be met with more of the same.

ITL him into oblivion.

[Zaleramancer]

Yeah. I figure I can annoy him longer than he annoys me. Eventually the thread will be locked or he will go away.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

What is even the topic of the thread?

[Zaleramancer]

The actual reason behind the whole thing is kind of complicated..


It involves imbalances in a game (Darn I lost) between various classes.


He wants each and every one to work equally. Which would take an insane amount of work and cause lots and lots of arguing about what is and isn't balanced.

I'm saying that just rename/retheme a class that works better and still fulfills the idea you want from the first class.


It's kind of stupid, honestly.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Well, why not just argue that the balance is imbalanced, and therefore, due to the balancing of the imbalance, the imbalance is balanced and the balance is imbalanced. That which seems fair is unfair, and that which seems to be unfair is fair.

Go all topsy-turvy opposite day on 'im and see how he likes THAT.

[Zaleramancer]

The thread has derailed at least twice by now.

Once from the original topic and once from the derailed topic.


Basically, the thread started as someone asking whether or not it was fair for a DM/GM to weaken a character.

Mostly wizards and their spell-books.

It degenerated into a wizards shouldn't have them stolen/wizards should (Cause realism ).

(In case you haven't noticed, I'm on the wizard's side of this. Taking away something that will drain months of ingame time and thousands and thousands of gold to replace is not really that.. fair.)

It's starting to move towards the topic I mentioned in my last post.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Well, honestly, if the wizards earned it, then oh well. The others will just have to get over it.

You can't punish somebody else because others aren't as awesome. I mean, that's like taking some of MY powers away as Penultimate just because Franklin Richards can only make ONE new universe at a time.

[Zaleramancer]

Well.. It's not like just talking away a weapon from a fighter.

He can pick up a stick and still contribute some.

A wizard without a spell book is just a weak, fragile, brainy person.

They would be reduced to using consumable items and things with a limited amount of uses until they could get it back. If they can't, most players would be better off just retiring the character and starting fresh.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Why would they want to take your spell books?

That's like, "Hey Wicked Witch of the West! Go mess with Dorothy, and leave your broom at home! You need the exercise!"

[Zaleramancer]

They use the excuse that the Big Bad Villan would think of this as a tactic to weaken the group.

By the way, One quote from the thread that I loved.

The difference between a spellbook and any other item is the the spellbook, is all of his class features, all his feats will b going to improves his spells take that away and he's left with 2+int skill points/Level and a slightly brighter than average cat. The defences are pointless because the GM decides if he's taking it or not and if the GM decides he's taking it it's gone.

This is my Defence-
A Colossal++++ Adamantium Greatclub -5,560
A spellbook page with Animate Weapon Stored in a Familier Pocket.
5 gp Comfy Chair
1gp Safety Harness

Upon loss of my Spellbook, I strap myself to the Greatclub and proceed to destroy the world until it is returned- If the GM is going to play "Realism" so should I -therefore- Screw his plot, I'm solving the problem of his "Corrupt King" by smashing him, his castle and the city he lives in to a fine paste.
You can call it childish, but you wanted realism-and You've just destroyed this guys life work.

That made me laugh so hard for some reason.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

So, what about realism belongs in the world of D&D, that this should even come up at all?

Thought the whole point of a roleplay is that none of it is real.

I mean, if that's the case, then why even have magic?

Magic is used in the campaign for the sole PURPOSE of making some more versatile than others. Tell him/her that he/she can suck an ogre's big toe if he/she thinks otherwise.

[Zaleramancer]

Yep.

Most people think you are supposed to have fun. (What a wild idea! D:)

Others think it should be realistic.

Personally, I would not play with him as a DM.

If I did. I would be a Sorcerer. The only way to deprive them of magic is ripping their minds out or something.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Well, that kind of person is futile to argue with, and you just end up being more angry than them because, well, let's face it...ignorance is bliss. I handle those kinds of people with very long, very mean rants. (Think Carcino)

Although a person of your psychology would likely be better off just telling them they're right and laughing at the inevitable future they have as a very hated GM.

I mean, srsly, the dude has a thing against MAGIC. In D&D. That's SO not gonna work.

[Zaleramancer]

....

I still find the idea of an aged wizard strapping a comfy chair to a building sized club and then happily reading a book once the club starts flying through the air, bashing castles to dust to be very very amusing.

[Philote]

Why not just make a way for them to not lose their spellbooks, or better yet don't try to take away all the skills from a class.

[Zaleramancer]

Wizards can protect their spellbooks.

They could think of a so many redundant defense that you could kill a dragon just by throwing him the spellbook.

But going over two and a half pages of defenses every half hour begins to get tedious.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Well, he--wait, what?

That's the guy you're arguing against?

Wanting a building sized club with a freaking couch on it?

Um, propose he has HIS stuff taken away.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Smh...

That guy's an idiot.

Taking magic from mages.

I suppose he didn't want the rangers to leave some of their arrows home? Or for the assassins to only use a fraction of their poison?