Oh. Really? Okay, well now it's time to show you how much YOU annoy me.
Zaleramancer wrote
Let us start here. Where you arrogantly implied that all non-Christians are blind and easily susceptible to moral corruption.
Yep. Anyone who's an atheist is just inches away from sinking into decant debauchery of the worst kind!
You have the audacity to call me arrogant, then I will put it to you this way. If God is the Supreme Being, and His way is Ultimate Truth and Ultimate Justice (because HE made it all in the first place), then NOT following Him, and denying His existence or ignoring His existence, despite being constantly shown His existence, THAT is blindness. Not just blindness, SELECTIVE blindness. And besides, it's only MY opinion. Never once did I declare the story fact (though it was inspired by actual living people), so if YOU didn't want to read it, you didn't have to, and I would be glad to have one less unwarrantedly disparaging opinion, especially one so asinine and narrow-minded as to think that somehow I'M responsible for the Divine Law, or trying to change how it is stated to somehow suit personal prejudices or pride of MINE (just because it doesn't sound pleasant to your sensitive constitutions).
And you have the nerve to call me arrogant. YOU'RE the one expecting that GOD owes you an explanation for Divine Law! Since when do you need a reason NOT to touch a red-hot eye on a stove? But since it's God, and He's not visibly, physically there to show you in person, you question it, and doubt Him, even when people tell you left and right that they know for a fact that it's true. If God made everything, and designated every law of physics, and decides the ultimate fate of man, with Perfect justice, who are YOU that He should explain who He is, what He does, or how and why He does it? You know, whether you SEE it or not, you ARE blind.
Zaleramancer wrote
Yes. Let's make people who were miserable enough to commit suicide go to hell and suffer for eternity. And see how tolerant you are? Anyone who disagrees with you goes screaming into hell.
And Someone who thinks Nostradamus was right. They should be in pain for eternity. Or someone interesting in the occult. Even though it does nothing, into the fire you go.
If God is The Supreme Being, and His Way is Ultimate Truth and Justice, then HE decides when you die. NOT you. And there is no justification to it, whether you are CHRISTIAN or NOT. There are ALWAYS alternatives, positive ones (or even NEGATIVE ones that don't involve death) and that feeling of hopelessness means that you are letting negative influences overtake you, letting your hatred of your current situation overwhelm your love of anybody else, THEIR love for YOU and your self-esteem, and thus your productiveness to the world.
And YES. Dabbling in the Occult, to obtain powers you don't rightfully possess, to know things that you don't find out through natural means, is BLASPHEMY; to try to work witchcraft and influence others, or otherwise manipulate the environment in UNNATURAL WAYS, is WRONG; Divination is an ABOMINATION; that's GOD's words, not me.
Zaleramancer wrote
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This is allowed by your loving merciful God?
Pain and terror and misery for all of eternity.
It's not right. Not on any level for anyone.
No one deserves pain for eternity.
How the .. How do you worship someone who lets this happen? Oh you may say that this is not his fault, it's ours. I fail to see how your omnipotent and omnibenevolent God can't at least put people in some existence that isn't a horror against all human compassion.
And what makes you the Ultimate Judge of Truth and Justice, the one who can't even decide on whether he believes in a God or not? How would you know WHICH doctrine with which you agree? If somebody came along with something that sounded good enough, you'd go right along with it, if they were clever enough to word it in a deceitful way. You have no reference to guide you, and your moral compass BY ITSELF is no guide to follow. HUMANS make mistakes, but if GOD tells you it's right, HE has the justification, despite the faltering errors of humans, and despite the HUMAN mind which is FAR TOO LENIENT in the presence of sin. He gives you a LIFETIME to get your life right, to ask forgiveness and to find out what He would have you know, so if you aren't innocent, and your life is full of unforgiven sin, how CAN He tolerate your presence in a perfect Heaven, with His Holy Perfection? You'd be killed by his Magnificent presence, despite His Love for you, because of how Transcendentally Perfect and Magnificent He is.
You fail to realize that Hell was never even MEANT for humans. In the Bible itself, it says that Hell was prepared for the Devil and his (the Devil's) angels for rebelling against God before man was even CREATED. The only reason PEOPLE are subject to the threat of hellfire is because of Adam and Eve being disobedient, after falling to Satan's temptation (after he was cast out of Heaven, he wanted to get vengeance, but knew he could never oppose God, so he decided to drag as many of us down with him as possible before it was his time to be Judged).
So, in turn, WE inherited their sins, as does EVERY son inherit the sins of their father, and WE had to find a way to come back to redemption, which is through Jesus Christ, who exemplified the perfect life, ending in HIS own life being wrongfully extinguished by people who think JUST like YOU, misunderstanding the things of God, and taking Jesus as some hypocritical, "holier-than-thou" goody-two-shoes with malevolent ulterior motives.
NOW, I am going to say this ONE last time. You don't have to speak to me, or pay attention to my presence EVER AGAIN, if you don't want. But Hell will freeze over before I let you speak against the precious name of my Lord after what He's done for Me and for YOU (exemplifying the perfect life, taking on ALL THE SINS OF MANKIND on His death, delving into the depths of Hell and ultimately taking the keys of Death and Hell, and resurrecting three days later so that WE may have eternal life by believing on His Precious Name, believe it or not). You don't have to AGREE with me, you don't have to see my PERSPECTIVE, you don't even have to LIKE me, but you'd better respect me, like I respect you. And you'd better respect my BELIEFS, like I respect yours. I don't go around disparaging you or your iffy, wishy-washy doubt in the things of the supernatural, do I?
I won't tolerate your little Anti-God tirades. You can hate me all you like. Call me whatever name, feel however you want to about me, but consider THIS before you step to me like this EVER again. You don't go around talking against every OTHER religion as badly as you do against Christianity. I've never heard you bad-mouth Buddha, or Vishnu, or Kali-Ma, or Cthulhu or the Greek pantheon. In fact, as much as you DISDAIN His goodness, and despite seeming more willing to accept ANY other religion than Christianity, you don't even have the decency or the respect (or perhaps the GUTS) to address Him by His name, JESUS (instead referring to Him condescendingly as "your God", like He's a pet or something). Yet here you are, VOCALLY blaspheming the name of the Almighty God, speaking against the name of Christ in a manner that is more than just a little irate. Coincidence? I think not.
For this reason (because I realize that you and I have nothing in common, nor will we ever, and due to the fact that you've outright declared your disdain for me and the core principles I stand for), you never need to speak to me again, nor will I speak to you; if you DO speak to me, I will ignore you, unless you contact me via EMAIL, so we can discuss this without unnecessarily involving others. Why? Because you DESPISE the principles for which I stand, simply because they were imparted to me through my walk with Jesus; had I said that I were a Buddhist, or made the story about Daniel reincarnating into a fluffy bunny, you would have been just fine (even though reincarnation is ALSO a religious concept, and you CLAIM to dislike all religion in general). Because of this I see, that you and I can never see eye to eye on any subject that truly means anything, so to speak to you is futile.
Zaleramancer wrote
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How can you condone this as a acceptable?
And how can I think "What a happy ending" when there would still be people suffering?
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I hate you for making me read that. .-.
AGAIN, who asked you to read it? I asked others to read it, but did not designate you in particular, and if I did, I regret it. You are a blind man if I ever saw one. You have no concept of true Justice, nor do you understand the TRUTH of the impending Hell that waits for those who DESPISE the word of the Lord, or refuse to seek Him out in spirit and in truth (despite NUMEROUS warnings of the dangers of not doing so). For these reasons, you ARE blind, no matter how much the truth hurts your little feelings or makes you angry. I suppose your idea of an afterlife would be rewarding EVERYONE with Heaven, even though only certain people did anything to truly deserve it. What would YOU know of the righteousness of His Commandments, that you could even question whether a sinner deserves Hell or not? How just are YOU (who is imperfect just like everybody else down here), that you can call the ALMIGHTY LORD OF HOSTS, His Omnipotence, out on His Words and make Him out to be some unfair tyrant, or something so foolishly blasphemous as that?
You know, you're JUST like Daniel before he came to his senses. You think to question His Justice, just because He doesn't do things the way YOU would do them. You think He owes you an explanation for His perfection. But if He did something in your favor, or only gave you gifts and blessings all the time, you'd be just FINE with saying "Oh, yeah, God's not so bad". You seriously need to re-evaluate what YOU pass off as values, especially trying to take on a Christian simply on the basis of his Christianity.
I don't expect you to understand it, but things exist that are bigger than our infinitesimal existence, and things can happen outside of the range of our understanding. And just as none of us can see the future, or make the perfect decision in everything, you can't POSSIBLY know for what purpose those people deserve to go to Hell. Just because YOU'VE never PERSONALLY witnessed those people (currently in torment, as the story goes) doing sinful things, doesn't mean that they haven't done them. And just because YOU can't see the severity of the offenses, doesn't make GOD an unjust God. JESUS CHRIST knows the depths of EVERY man's heart, which means, HE knew of every sin they'd done, and every sin they would do in the future, AS WELL AS whether or not they could be reformed from their sinful ways.
If you actually TRULY sought out the things of God (instead of hatefully, spitefully, sarcastically complaining that the standards of love, righteousness and salvation are too hard, or too strict), then you would see, He has a reason for everything He does, and is NOT how you portray Him. Not even CLOSE.
I hope you soon realize how wrong you are, and how SEVERELY in need you are of divine deliverance and enlightenment, but until then, I can't possibly carry on a conversation with you. Your words have hurt me too deeply, and I have yet to come up with the strength of heart and mind to forgive you.
Until then,
I'm going to stick with talking to others, who at least have the decency to leave their personal opinions of religion out of a SIMPLE SHORT-STORY CRITIQUE, which is all I REALLY asked for in the first place.
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…” --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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