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why don't you and I pick, for starters?
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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Blindfold



Wikipedia wrote
Blindfold is psionic, but the full extent of her abilities is unknown. She has been shown in Astonishing X-Men using telepathy and New X-Men to sometimes psychically sense events when other telepaths apparently did not, such as Belasco pulling everyone inside the mansion into Limbo. During her appearances in Astonishing X-Men she used telepathy, and in her most recent appearances in New X-Men and X-Men, she has been said to be a clairvoyant, retrocognitive and precognitive mutant, meaning that she is able to see past, present or future places or events. Her blindness is part of her mutation in the sense that she has no eyes, but rather has skin where eyes would normally be.

Blindfold's precognitive abilities are neutralized while in the presence of Destiny, another precog. Destiny explains that this is because two precogs in close presence to one another "are like two magnets pressed together positive pole to positive pole" and will negatively effect one another's powers.
A character I found out about on wikipedia..
“She'd become a governess. It was one of the few jobs a known lady could do. And she'd taken to it well. She'd sworn that if she did indeed ever find herself dancing on rooftops with chimney sweeps she'd beat herself to death with her own umbrella.”
― Hogfather
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Layla Miller (aka Butterfly)


Layla Miller aka Butterfly (a la "the butterfly effect")

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 Layla has the mutant power to resurrect someone from the dead, however at the cost of their souls. They retain their memories, but experience a lack of empathy upon resurrection that is similar to sociopathy. This is explained when she resurrects Trevor Fitzroy after being killed by Cortex, knowing the murderous villain he'll become due to her bringing him back to life.[13]

Layla purports to "know stuff": she claims to have the ability to see paths of causality to their ultimate conclusion, allowing her to alter events to prevent or cause certain occurrences. However, a few times she has encountered blind spots: her abilities did not enable her to discern that her teammate Strong Guy was brainwashed, the machinations of Singularity CEO Damian Tryp, or that Frenchwoman Nicole was actually a robot created by Josef Huber. While trapped in the future, Layla also explains that "knowing stuff" does not mean knowing all that she would like to - for example, any information about how/if/when she would get back to her own time. This is explained in X-Factor #50 when the grown up Layla visits her younger self before she meets the team and uploads all her knowledge into her younger version's brain. The sheer volume of knowledge is too much for a normal brain to take, and that causes several gaps in her knowledge. Her precognition abilities were revealed to be a ploy to explain her knowledge of future events.

In the "Caterpillar Files" in the back of Secret Warriors #1, her power is listed as "causality".[14]

During House of M she was immune to the memory alteration created by Scarlet Witch using Charles Xavier's ability, and she therefore knew how the Scarlet Witch had warped reality. She also had the ability to "awaken" heroes and make them remember their lives before the reality warp. By making eye contact and exhibiting an unexplained power, Layla restored the memories of victims of a combination of Scarlet Witch's reality manipulation and Charles Xavier's telepathy. She has not exhibited this ability since House of M.
I think she has to be one of my FAVORITE characters in the X-men world with passive abilities. I know I said we didn't have to put Marvel against Marvel, but I couldn't resist. She's pretty cool.

“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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I'm trying to think about HOW they would fight...
“She'd become a governess. It was one of the few jobs a known lady could do. And she'd taken to it well. She'd sworn that if she did indeed ever find herself dancing on rooftops with chimney sweeps she'd beat herself to death with her own umbrella.”
― Hogfather
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It would be hand to hand combat, yeah? The two would be able to predict each other's moves, so maybe, or well...crap, I have no idea who'd win.
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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Well, What happens when precogs fight?
“She'd become a governess. It was one of the few jobs a known lady could do. And she'd taken to it well. She'd sworn that if she did indeed ever find herself dancing on rooftops with chimney sweeps she'd beat herself to death with her own umbrella.”
― Hogfather
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It would have to be combat precognition; they would be able to see each other's future movements in hypertime and react to such at a pace that is relative to normal fighting, I guess.
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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So it would be the one who could see farther or more accuratly. Then they could lure the other into a postion in which they can't save themselves..

“She'd become a governess. It was one of the few jobs a known lady could do. And she'd taken to it well. She'd sworn that if she did indeed ever find herself dancing on rooftops with chimney sweeps she'd beat herself to death with her own umbrella.”
― Hogfather
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exactly...


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So it would be the one who could see farther or more accuratly. Then
they could lure the other into a postion in which they can't save
themselves..


The bigger they are, the more irreversibly catastrophic the property
damage.



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Sooooo its what? a tie?
“She'd become a governess. It was one of the few jobs a known lady could do. And she'd taken to it well. She'd sworn that if she did indeed ever find herself dancing on rooftops with chimney sweeps she'd beat herself to death with her own umbrella.”
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I have thought of another hero vs hero match Superman vs Thor.

Juggernaut would everntualy beat Toph Juggernaut cannot be injured with out high level magic or telphathic powers and his helment takes care of the telepaths. Juggernaut wins because he has unlimited strengh, durability, and dos'nt need to eat sleep or breath, he can heal realy fast and once he starts moving nothing can stop him it doesen't matter if Toph launches him in the air once Jean Grey kept him in the air with Telekinisis and he kept moving. Juggernaut also can project a forcefield around hin self that protects him further from damage it took thor focusing all his power into a attack with his magic hammer to simply negate his forcefield and Juggernaut still wasen't hardly scratched and Someone managed to cut him to bone with a magic sword but Juggernaut simply kept on moving and healed all the damage done in seconds it is my opinion that Toph can not beat Juggernaut because it is virtualy impossible with out his weaknesses which Toph can not use. Even if Toph metal bends his armor it won't hurt Juggernaut. Toph can not hurt Juggernaut and even if she traps him underground he will simply keep moving and eventualy beat her. Toph may be powerfull but Juggernaut is in an another league.
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I forgot to mention Juggernaut never gets tired either so Tophs chances are ever lower now.
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She could remove his helmet without even touching him (with her
Metalbending), making him vulnerable to the attacks of telepaths or the
like. So maybe SHE by herself can't take him out, but let her make
friends with Jean Grey or Charles Xavier and they'd make quick work of
him. Or, better yet, let her make friends with Doctor Strange or Doctor
Fate, and yeah...


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I have thought of another hero vs hero match Superman vs Thor.

Juggernaut would everntualy beat Toph Juggernaut cannot be injured with
out high level magic or telphathic powers and his helment takes care of
the telepaths. Juggernaut wins because he has unlimited strengh,
durability, and dos'nt need to eat sleep or breath, he can heal realy
fast and once he starts moving nothing can stop him it doesen't matter
if Toph launches him in the air once Jean Grey kept him in the air with
Telekinisis and he kept moving. Juggernaut also can project a
forcefield around hin self that protects him further from damage it
took thor focusing all his power into a attack with his magic hammer to
simply negate his forcefield and Juggernaut still wasen't hardly
scratched and Someone managed to cut him to bone with a magic sword but
Juggernaut simply kept on moving and healed all the damage done in
seconds it is my opinion that Toph can not beat Juggernaut because it
is virtualy impossible with out his weaknesses which Toph can not use.
Even if Toph metal bends his armor it won't hurt Juggernaut. Toph can
not hurt Juggernaut and even if she traps him underground he will
simply keep moving and eventualy beat her. Toph may be powerfull but
Juggernaut is in an another league.


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I thought this was one hero vs one her because you don't use the plural version " if it is one hero vs one hero Juggernaut would beat Toph. The only way Toph would stand a chance is if she got help and she would have to slow down Juggernaut first and that is not easy, Juggernaut one charged through tons of concrete it barely slowed him down but could not stop him even with lasor cannons firing at him it barely slowed him down but nothing could stop him in fact the X-Men one time managed to drop a building on him and storm even said "it would slow him down but it won't stop him". It is not going to be easy Metal Bending his Armor because every part of his armor besides his helmet is as durable as he is and even though the helmet is weaker it is still realy durable even even Wolverines claw coulden't even scratch it. Even if Toph managed to Metal Bend his helmet away Juggernaut has started wearing a skullcap made from the same material under his helmet as extra protection against telepathic attacks so Toph would have to deal with that also. So even if Toph did managed too find help she would have a lot to deal with before she even could ask them. Tophs chances may be higher with help but they are still low.
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WELL, if you want to RANT about a point on which you're CLEARLY wrong,
you're on. Picture this. Toph and the Juggernaut standing on the battle
field. Toph stands her ground, and the Juggernaut is smiling wickedly,
like he KNOWS she's going to lose. Juggernaut charges at her, and Toph
stands still. During his charge, he lets out an animalistic roar, and
Toph remains still. He gets closer and closer, until Toph has him right
where she wants him. With a nudge, she sends a pillar up out of the
ground, dead under his feet, so he goes sailing through the air. He
goes flying, and lands with a hard thud. Amazingly, he gets up smiling
with nary a scratch on his body, due to his armor. Toph realizes this.
Juggernaut starts chuckling, which then turns to a maniacal laugh. He
narrows his eyes and begins to charge at her again, this time with a
fist cocked back, ready to knock the living daylights out of her. Toph
scoffs at the hulking brute, knowing now that a different strategy will
be taken. He gets closer and closer, charging with all the ferocity of
a rhino on steroids, and this time Toph takes a fighting stance. But
not just ANY fighting stance; the Southern Praying Mantis Style Kung Fu
stance, the style of martial form that conforms to HER unique form of
earthbending. Juggernaut finds her stance amusing, and chuckles again,
but before he gets too close, again, he is caught off gaurd. This time,
though, a much more powerful offense has been delivered. You see, what
Juggernaut doesn't know is, Toph has encountered strong metals before
(if you haven't see the last few episodes of the last season of
Avatar), and fortunately, the type of metal doesn't make it any more or
less difficult to control. With a powerful motion, she metalbends the
Juggernaut's armor, stripping him completely of it. Literally, his
armor comes flying off, helmet and all, and he is left susceptible to
the pillar of earth  that she sends up under his chin. It doesn't kill
him, but it definitely knocks him out, and does so with more force than
a prize-fighting heavyweight champion. Toph wins this round.


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I thought this was one hero vs one her because you don't use the plural
version " if it is one hero vs one hero Juggernaut would beat Toph. The
only way Toph would stand a chance is if she got help and she would
have to slow down Juggernaut first and that is not easy, Juggernaut one
charged through tons of concrete it barely slowed him down but could
not stop him even with lasor cannons firing at him it barely slowed him
down but nothing could stop him in fact the X-Men one time managed to
drop a building on him and storm even said "it would slow him down but
it won't stop him". It is not going to be easy Metal Bending his Armor
because every part of his armor besides his helmet is as durable as he
is and even though the helmet is weaker it is still realy durable even
even Wolverines claw coulden't even scratch it. Even if Toph managed to
Metal Bend his helmet away Juggernaut has started wearing a skullcap
made from the same material under his helmet as extra protection
against telepathic attacks so Toph would have to deal with that also.
So even if Toph did managed too find help she would have a lot to deal
with before she even could ask them. Tophs chances may be higher with
help but they are still low.


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It doesn't matter if she metal bends his armor off it does not affect his powers he simply wears it as more protection and it doesn't matter if she sends anything at him Juggernaut has withstood attacks from Thor even with out his forcefield and Thor can hold back a enraged Hulk with one arm and in World War Hulk the strongest hulk incarnation could not hurt Juggernaut, Wolverine could not scratch him with his claws and He surved a full power attack from Thors famous hammer that Galactus had to flee for his life from and it only took out his forcefield Juggernaut, Juggernaut once got throw miles away by Gladiator one of Marvels version of Superman, One time a vilian I forgot his name that would have taken down the avengers and x-men combined if it hadn't been for Franklen Richards creating a pocked dimension with his power throw him all the way from New York to California and Juggernaut wasn't scratched it is impossible to hurt Juggernaut with out his weaknesses and Juggernauts also has a healing factor like wolverine as I mentioned before someone with a magic sword reduced him to a skeleton and Juggernaut heald in seconds. Toph do to not being able to us Telephic attacks or magic can not hurt Juggernaut she may knock him away but he will simply come back for more and she can not knock him out because with out his weaknesses he cannot be hurt at all and that along with his other powers makes Juggernaut a unbeatable opponent for her.
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Well, if he's so dogoone invincible, why the freak would anybody put
him on here? Obviously he's invulnerable, unstoppable, beyond everbody,
and should have taken over the world by now! He can beat the Hulk, He
can beat Thor, He can beat everybody, so whoever the freak put this
stuipid combat matchup on here has no need to have even done so in the
first place, and to have done so is idiotic, correct? Obviously nobody
should ever oppose him because his force field is impenetrable, his
durability is impeccable and his strength is unmatched, yes? This page
is for Hero Vs. Hero, not for
explain-your-way-out-of-everything-so-you-always-win! If he can never
be beaten or stopped, or if he always keeps coming back, then please
tell whoever put him on this page that he is an idiot, a dunce, and a
fool for ever contemplating that anybody could EVER challenge the
Almighty Juggernaut! Now don't bring it up again. Obviously you have
all the answers, so keep it to yourself. Thank you and good day.


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It doesn't matter if she metal bends his armor off it does not affect
his powers he simply wears it as more protection and it doesn't matter
if she sends anything at him Juggernaut has withstood attacks from Thor
even with out his forcefield and Thor can hold back a enraged Hulk with
one arm and in World War Hulk the strongest hulk incarnation could not
hurt Juggernaut, Wolverine could not scratch him with his claws and He
surved a full power attack from Thors famous hammer that Galactus had
to flee for his life from and it only took out his forcefield
Juggernaut, Juggernaut once got throw miles away by Gladiator one of
Marvels version of Superman, One time a vilian I forgot his name that
would have taken down the avengers and x-men combined if it hadn't been
for Franklen Richards creating a pocked dimension with his power throw
him all the way from New York to California and Juggernaut wasn't
scratched it is impossible to hurt Juggernaut with out his weaknesses
and Juggernauts also has a healing factor like wolverine as I mentioned
before someone with a magic sword reduced him to a skeleton and
Juggernaut heald in seconds. Toph do to not being able to us Telephic
attacks or magic can not hurt Juggernaut she may knock him away but he
will simply come back for more and she can not knock him out because
with out his weaknesses he cannot be hurt at all and that along with
his other powers makes Juggernaut a unbeatable opponent for her.


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Ouch...


Erm... Im kinda the one who suggested it...
“She'd become a governess. It was one of the few jobs a known lady could do. And she'd taken to it well. She'd sworn that if she did indeed ever find herself dancing on rooftops with chimney sweeps she'd beat herself to death with her own umbrella.”
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@Zale: you know what I was trying to say, haha...didn't mean it like that...

@Spydyr: well WHO would YOU recommend? Galactus? The One Above All? Eternity? Thanos? The Hulk? Jesus?
“…Judge not what a man has done, but judge what he could have done if he was a different bloke altogether. For art thou a leper? And a leper can changeth his spots…”   --Rudy Wade, Misfits (Series 4, Episode 8)
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