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[jester_of_god]

yep which would explain why scientists think that there could have been a universe before this one.

[jester_of_god]

also ever heard of the saying "I didn't lose, I just chose not to win."

[neogenetica]

Its not that I attempt to be smug Its just that I see being weak like humans instead of all powerful the true strength plus I practically adhere to the rule that there is always going to be something stronger or better so I do not take divinity's "final" influence as  into that much account, not saying an omni couldent anahilate us just saying that without knowing what is beyond a god or omni that we cant say that they are absolutely final.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 still losing. And you ask GOD if there was a universe before this one (if/when you get to Heaven of course), I'm more concerned about the world AFTER...

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Okay, so when you learn to count to infinity, tell me what's beyond THAT.

[neogenetica]

Infinity then go sideways/down/up/in/out/through.

[jester_of_god]

ditto, but come on  don't be so serious. It's simple discussion, although here's what I think personally if you want.

God is an all powerfull entity who has an exact knowledge of everything that will ever happen, there is no alternate futures, there is only a straight line that will continue to play out until the act that he set in motion is completed. He will only intervene in areas where he knows are necessary in order to insure tht the end product is in his best interest. The reason why he does anything although he knows all is the same reason that artists draw, and create, it is simply more interesting to see it than to just know it. I know that his Universal love is apparently factored into this at some point, but I don't have the time, nor do I care to go into it at the moment.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

meh, close enough...

[jester_of_god]

NOw let us drop this discussion and never bring it up again.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

agreed

[neogenetica]

Very well.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

though it may be difficult in a MARY SUE thread...

ugh, I blame EB for every argument that arose in this thread so far...

[jester_of_god]

technically most of them were probably my fault.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

so? HIS threads posed the most controversy...this one AND the Christmas one...

[Zaleramancer]

Using X-mas instead of Christmas is hardly a controversial thing.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

So, when atheists want to cut "under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance, it's a compromise, but when a Christian wants people to refer to an important holiday by its correct name, it's petty, or asking too much?

[Zaleramancer]

Under God was never an original part of the pledge, you know?


As for it, Yes taking out "Under God" is petty and controversial. I think it's just as silly as exploding into a righteous fury at "X-mas".

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I suppose. Who cares about respect for others' values anyways, right? I mean, Christmas has already been secularized anyways, as is being done to the rest of society (even some churches sadly). I honestly would not expect anyone here to see the point without viewing me as some sort of religious zealot, or a petty grudge-holder  (or as EB so eloquently put it, "a dictator" or "tyrant" who just wants others to agree with him) . Believe what you like, as I have TRIED to say before, I'm done with "exploding into a righteous fury" anytime I feel offended; honestly if I did, I'd probably be a nervous wreck.

[Zaleramancer]

Sorry..

Honestly I'm not being fair.


I'm taking out all the accumulated anger and annoyance at some of the more... extreme factions of Christianity...


People who say things like...

 

Femenists are witches who are always bound for Hell for their rebelion against God's Biblical rules.They're subhumans as well as GLBT,adulterers,and all unrepentant heathen of these last days.

In the beginning of The Book of Revelation,Jesus talked to John the Revelator about churches in Asia that fell.Today we got millions of them here in America from greedy TV Evangelists to fag priests like Gene Robinson.Actually we heard the filthy story about Robinson and how he sold his soul to Satan.He left his wife with two of his daughters and went along with his ass boyfried.Besides,this pervert ruined once holy institution and secret place,Episcopelian Church,and turned it into a dog kennel where all followers wait their entrance to Hell including this fag Robinson.

People like that hurt your religion more than a million atheists put together.


Of course, there are people like that in every religion, philosophical group or any collection of people.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I honestly don't understand that mindset. Why do people always want to take a REALLY bad example of a certain group, and let that overshadow the good ones? For all these folks that do research and studying, they never seem to find the section of the Bible that says "love thy neighbor" and how those radicals are NOT following the preachings of Christ by being so hateful. If they are saying hateful things that oppose what the Holy Bible says, obviously, they're not ACTUALLY exemplifying Christ, but instead are just twisting the Bible's words to justify their own inward prejudices (shoot, the guy didn't even SPELL everything correctly)... I hope you don't think that I believe that foolishness, because I don't. Even though I don't agree with certain secular factors of society, I am not a conservative, and I don't believe anyone has the right to control any aspect of another person's life; even if I don't agree, no one has any right to exert control over aspects of another's life.

And to be honest, a TRUE Christian believes just what I told you; Jesus is love, only Jesus can judge, and the only way that a Christian should involve himself in the lives of another is to spread the Gospel and offer a good moral example to follow. Homosexuality and other immorality may make us a bit squeamish, because we know it's wrong, but it's not up to us, and we try to show love despite moral decisions which we hold to be wrong or immoral; anyone who acts otherwise is not acting Christ-like. In case I'm not being clear, people who use religious epithets like calling Jews "Christ-Killers", or bully homosexuals or deride or attack any other religion or race do NOT stand for what Jesus Christ came to do.

BTW: Still wanna know about hell? Email me.