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[jester_of_god]

barely...well no....

The jester of god was created near the beggining of existence and served as a sort of unpredictable sort of being that was able to give a point of view that god was not aware of. Being omnipotent can get prety boring. The jester was given nigh omnipotent reality manipulation abilites along with the ability to control the powers of the universe. Unfortnately this made him a threat to Satan/the morning star/ the fallen one whoever you want to call him who was planing to overthrow god. So he tried too bring him over to his side, when this failed he trapped the jester in a diensional dead space, where he was trapped fr several hundreds of thousands of years. Unfortunately since he was designed to be invunerable to omiscience god was unaware of where he was at the time, and had deside to make three replacements for him that were less powerfull, because he had decided that the orgional one was to unpredictable to function correctly. That was the birth of Rhiolo the jester of anger,  Rhian the Jester of Sorrow, and Rhia the Jester of happiness. There opinions always seemed to be in the same attitude which is the emotion they were named after. Then the war broke out, because of the war god was unable to finish fine tuning the Jesters and instead left them in a sort of Eden where they were supposed to mellow out. After a while they wanted to see the rest of creation. Unfortunately they were unable to escape so they instead created a giant anomoly core which would drag other dimensions into theirs.  Unfortunately this doing this would also break the fabric of existence, so to stop this from happening God decided to send one of his angels to destroy the anomaly core. Unfortunately during the destruction of the anomaly core the power inside of it went haywire and Rhian was erased in the process. The destruction of the anomoly core also caused the wish to warp, dragging several areaas from different dimensions into theirs, creating another world, with a different set of creations, and the shards of the anomoly core spread across the dimension rewriting it's physics.

Rhiolo blamed god for this happening and joined the forces of the devil, Rhia blamed herself and fell from her emotion, she's now part of Cardstack, an organization composed of the spirits who govern existence in order to make sure that it doesn't get destroyed by demonic forces like Rhiolo.

 The creatures of this world are various. There is at least one of every species of mythological animal, and several dieties that were created from an anomoly caused by a wish made on an anomaly core. Humans are spread out into several small towns and cities. The human capital is led by an old friend of mine who obtained powers similiar to those of the king through an anomaly core. He's managed to create a giant futuristic city by using anomaly cores that his troups have found/stolen as energy sources for machines and weapons.

I formed a sort of pact with the Jester before the entire thing happened with the othe three Jesters. When I was swept up with everyone else the Jester used me to drag him out of the pocket dimension he was trapped in. We explored for a bit, I made friends with a Graecieorum basically a ghostly/energy vampire/ child like spirit/thing and we traveled together. A lot of stuff happened and I ended up king off monsters so the humans wouldn't try to kill them and vice versa, this all happened before my friend became ruler of the humans. After a while another war broke out and I had to patch everything up again, after that I gave up on trying to work with humans, and othe rcreatures and just sealed myself in a pocket dimension, If they needed me they could find me again...two hundred years later I'm back out and find that another monster king has popped back up, and this one isn't as nice as I was.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

a point of view of which God was not aware? a threat to Satan? CREATING deities?

You DO realize the implications right?

[jester_of_god]

Unfortunately yes... God created the jesters because omnipotence can get pretty boring and he was still pretty young at the time. Who the heck is a diety, their more along the line of angels and demons.

What implications were you talking about anyway.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

jester_of_god wrote

“The jester of god was created near the beggining of existence and served as a sort of unpredictable sort of being that was able to give a point of view that god was not aware of.” Something God wasn't aware of? Impossible. He is aware of all perspectives, even what it's like to be a human.

“Being omnipotent can get pretty boring.” No, it doesn't. By nature of Omnipotence you possess Omniscience, and can therefore understand and appreciate everything, despite whether or not it entertains you.

The jester was given nigh omnipotent reality manipulation abilites along with the ability to control the powers of the universe.
So, he made you incredibly powerful WHY?

Unfortnately this made him a threat to Satan/the morning star/ the fallen one whoever you want to call him who was planing to overthrow god. A threat to Satan? Really? If you posed a threat to him, he'd come after you personally...

Unfortunately since he was designed to be invunerable to omiscience god was unaware of where he was at the time, and had deside to make three replacements for him that were less powerfull, because he had decided that the orgional one was to unpredictable to function correctly. NOTHING escapes the scope of omniscience, that's just like being able to negate omniscience, or being able to negate omnipresence or being able to negate omniscience; there is no thing in all existence that escapes the knowledge of God

Then the war broke out, because of the war god was unable to finish fine tuning the Jesters and instead left them in a sort of Eden where they were supposed to mellow out. What war? When Lucifer came against God, and he basically chucked him out of heaven? I doubt that took very long, and if it did, He still could have "fine tuned" the jesters

Rhiolo blamed god for this happening and joined the forces of the devil, Rhia blamed herself and fell from her emotion, she's now part of Cardstack, an organization composed of the spirits who govern existence in order to make sure that it doesn't get destroyed by demonic forces like Rhiolo. So, Rhiolo is a jester, a being supposedly a threat to Satan, but he joined Satan's side? That doesn't make sense, unless you're more powerful than Rhiolo, which would still mean that you could have defeated him by now

There is at least one of every species of mythological animal, and several dieties that were created from an anomoly caused by a wish made on an anomaly core. This is what I was talking about. How can a WISH from a rock, or "anomaly core" create GODS (DEITIES)?

I formed a sort of pact with the Jester before the entire thing happened with the othe three Jesters. How'd he make a pact with YOU in your human form? People weren't made at that time, were they?

When I was swept up with everyone else the Jester used me to drag him out of the pocket dimension he was trapped in. We explored for a bit, I made friends with a Graecieorum basically a ghostly/energy vampire/ child like spirit/thing and we traveled together. A lot of stuff happened and I ended up king off monsters so the humans wouldn't try to kill them and vice versa, this all happened before my friend became ruler of the humans. So YOU were the first monster king? Interesting.

And finally:


"Unfortunately yes... God created the jesters because omnipotence can get pretty boring and he was still pretty young at the time." Stop saying that Omnipotence can get boring, no it can't. God is not mortal, and his understanding and sympathy toward life and existence is much more profound than that which sinful, selfish human nature allows. His loving and just  nature means that he doesn't feel the need to be entertained all the time, like some spoiled little rich kid

[jester_of_god]

Don't insult God! So what if you think that he can't get bored, maybe he didn't get bored, maybe he thought it would be interesting, It's my story for Petes Sake so just ignore it for a split second. I wasn't bothered by your story about the elders of Celedon choosing a avatar to rule, why the heck would beings that powerfull need one, who the heck designed such a stupid system in the first place...whatever...What are the other implications then?

[Celadon's Penultimate]

jester_of_god wrote

Don't insult god! So what if you think that he can't get bored, maybe he didn't get bored, maybe he thought it would be interesting, It's my story for Petes Sake so just ignore it for a split second. I wasn't bothered by your story about the elders of Celedon choosing a avatar to rule, why the heck would beings that powerfull need one, who the heck designed such a stupid system in the first place...whatever...What are the other implications then?

First of all, you're the one insulting God, not capitalizing the "G", like he's A god, not THE God. It's also insulting to diminish the love He has for us by saying that He would or COULD grow bored of us.

Second, I'm not worried about the story itself; it's the fact that your story is interfering with Biblical truth.

Third, my system in Celadon was not that the Elementals were choosing an avatar to rule; he's not an avatar, to start. But, also, the Elementals are incredibly powerful beings, yes, but you fail to notice that their domains are ruled by one particular element. Therefore, they would be partial to how their counsel would govern. That's why the wisest of them, the Drym, devised a plan to choose a being who could rule the best. Instead of letting the individual people vote (a system which is subject to tedious counting, and potential tampering), the Elementals would each put up a candidate, who would journey to the site of a competition (traveling throughout Celadon and interacting with the different creatures and races along the way) on Lethe Island. When they reached Lethe Island, they would be subject to four tests, which they would have to pass using all the valuable skills and lessons they'd learned during their journeys in Celadon. The one who completed each task successfully (because he managed to display courage, skill, compassion and other admirable qualities) would show himself to be the rightful ruler of Celadon, whose arrival had been foretold.

And anyway, those were the only implications I found (as though THOSE weren't enough); your story conflicts too much with the Bible. If you're going top use God in your story, the accounts should coincide, don't you agree?

BTW: just because there are a few flaws I found in your storyline, that doesn't mean you need to try to rag on mine. I wasn't trying to tease or insult you, I was just pointing out some things you might want to take a second look at.

[jester_of_god]

sorry I did ot take the time to read you qoute.

1. Nothing can escape the scope of omnipotence becaue it can do anything correct interesting....then what if an omnipotent being decided to try to make something like that would he be incapable of doing that, but I thought that an omnipotent entity could do anything...interesting

2. If that were true why would he do anything...and don't say because of infinite love and that he wanted us to have a chance to exist either

3. He made him incredibly powerful so that the jester could mess with stuff, take what god already made, warp it somewhat and then he'd laugh at the irrationality of it...also it's the best way to allow something to be able to observe everything and report back their opinion.

4. There was a war, it didn't last very long but still. He left them their so that they could fine tune themselves or mellow out for a bit.

5. Technicaly the Jester is more powerfull than Rhiolo, but spending several melinia in a pocket dimension wore him out, and I still haven't figured out most of his abilities and the Jester would prefer that I figure it out myself. That coupled with Rhiolo powered up because of his hatred along with help from demonic energies makes it a pretty fair fight, also I kind of promised Rhia I wouldn't kill him so I have to seal him somehow, or convert him.

6. The rocks have the ability to warp dimensions and create creatures, or give already existing creatures powers, or utate them, or basically anything because they rewrite the laws of reality in a set area.

7. He was in that place for a while man...a long time.....a really long time....................... only able to interact like half a ghost.

8. Yeah I was the first Monster king, I was a bit of a Benevolent one though.

[jester_of_god]

sorry that was a typo, I did not catch that I would have used his real name but that's against the rules... Yes he has a real name it was mentioned in hebrew scriptures but they thought that we were to sinful to utter it. I'll correct it as soon as possible.

Avatar= One who rules over and or controls all elements.

[jester_of_god]

BTW: just because there are a few flaws I found in your storyline, that doesn't mean you need to try to rag on mine. I wasn't trying to tease or insult you, I was just pointing out some things you might want to take a second look at.

Yeah sorry about that, I was in a bit of a bad mood, and I'm a bit sick so I probably overreacted a bit.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

1) Why would he want to make something that could escape His scope? It would mean some being that was not subject to His Judgment. It's just like that stupid "conundrum" about if God could create a rock that was too big for HIM to lift. Why the freak would He do something dumb like that? And besides, God can do anything BUT fail.

2) By nature of Omnipotence you possess Omniscience, and can therefore understand and appreciate everything, despite whether or not it entertains Him; that means HE knows why He creates things, even if WE don't.

3) Why would He want something that could distort that which he already said was good? (He created the Penultimate as a RULER, not some chaotic distorter of nature, thanks...and plus, from what I can tell, even with my Reality Bending, my power does not surpass yours)

4) If there was a war that took place and he left to somewhere for a while, you're still implying that He FORGOT to finish the job of "fine tuning" you. That negates his Omniscience, and is therefore impossible.

5) Long amounts of time in a pocket dimension wore you out HOW? You're powerful, and so your power should include returning from immense strain.

6) Again, why create something just to induce chaos? God is not a being of Chaos; that's more Satan's thing

7) How did being there weaken him?

8)

[Celadon's Penultimate]

It's fine...I don't mind, I just wanted you to know I meant no harm when I posed these questions.

[Myself]

You're a poet and you didn't even know it.

[jester_of_god]

1. Because it's interesting, and even though he was beyond his radar he was still undyingly loyal to god anyway and would never attempt to go against him.

2. Didn't this answer your first question

3. Distort and create, he usually fixed everything afterwards anyway.

4. FIne tuning who? The other Jesters? he just left them to their own devices, a bit of interaction would allow them to complete each other, and that just seems a bit more interesting to me than blinking and their the ultimate beings that they can be.

5. It tkes a lot out of a person to fight against an entire dimension that's trying to irradicate you for several thousand years. Also, if he used to much of his power, he'd be detected by his enemies simply because of the large ripple he would cause.

6. Chaos and order entertwined are the soul of the Universe. I think he would like a bit of something that looks like chaos to us but actually has some incomprehensible rationality to it.

7. Imagine being sealed inside of a dimension that shouldn't exist, that's always trying to irradicate itself, if your concentration becomes lax for a second you die and are erased. All this time you are also cut off from god who's power helps you recuperate. Now keep that up for several million years.

8. Put down the Jar of Invisible ink I don't have any lemon juice on me at the moment.

[Zaleramancer]

avatar [ˈævəˌtɑː]
n
1. (Non-Christian Religions / Hinduism) Hinduism the manifestation of a deity, notably Vishnu, in human, superhuman, or animal form
2. a visible manifestation or embodiment of an abstract concept; archetype
3. (Electronics & Computer Science / Computer Science) a movable image that represents a person in a virtual reality environment or in cyberspace
[from Sanskrit avatāra a going down, from avatarati he descends, from ava down + tarati he passes over]





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I still don't like the "Humans-are-sinful-horrible-things" ideology..

[Celadon's Penultimate]

The Penultimate is definitely no avatar. He does not come directly as a representative of any higher being.

@Zale: As hard as it must be for you to wrap your head around the thought of being Judged by some being higher than yourself (especially one you've never physically seen before), it's possible, and probable (and for me, it's Truth). If you don't accept that great. One less doubter bring down the mood in Heaven.

@Jester:
Just forget it. Do as you wish. If you don't think your storyline diminishes God's capabilities as omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, then it doesn't. Feel free to disregard my previous comments. Obviously we come from two totally different worldviews.

@Zale and Jester: Eh, I'm really not in the mood to defend God or His capabilities to either of your tonight. I just know that it'll end in an angry outburst on my part, so I'm stopping it here. Believe whatever you like about God, or what He can or can't do. I'll stick with Biblical truth, thanks.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

HAHA!

You're a poet too!

We're both rhyming, me and you...

(okay, I'll stop)

[Zaleramancer]

I'm not pursuing it.

Just saying...



It's odd how you sometimes seem to explode over things like this... How does a fictional story hurt an omnipotent deity?

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Why does being called a f****t offend gay people, or being called a n****r offend black people? Words have power.

But like I said, I won't be dragged into a debate about my beliefs. I've already said that you should feel free to post what you like and I will not question it. I won't even comment on it from now on. I suppose I should just detach myself from my feelings for my Divine Creator whenever I see anything like that.

And if it seemed like I was angry, it's just the coincidence that I found this at the same time when I was already really frustrated.

But either way, like I said before, I'm not in the mood to try to defend God or His capabilities to either of you. I didn't have a particularly wonderful day. So I just decided that I wouldn't waste YOUR time or MINE, by bothering either of you with viewpoints that neither of you share with me, and that some of you (cough cough) think are possibly not even true, or maybe just plain ludicrous. I don't feel like getting my beliefs insulted, or being accused of insulting anyone else's. Just not in the mood.

[Zaleramancer]

Bad days just suck..


I've also had days when I just wanted to chew out anyone who was annoying..

Sorry...



Fighting conflicting urges at the moment though...


One part of my mind is saying that if I start another argument it's quitting and moving to Canada..


The other part wants to argue because of a combination of boredom and vague offended feelings...



And my muse screams to shut up because she's trying to sleep....




My brain is a confusing place... Yup.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I suppose. Eh, I'm feeling particularly combative myself, but I've resolved to keep my cool, because my arguments never end nicely. I tend to go below the belt, and then kick you while you're down. I'm not nice when I'm not concentrated on Jesus. I'm angry, spiteful, lustful and confusing. But when I concentrate on Him, I'm poetic and dignified and calm and wise. I think I prefer the latter. And so do you. That's the one that comments on here.