Stuff to Hurt the Mind

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Mik_Hael wrote

Think of it this way, if you got bored one day and decided to make a computer program, and  then spent seven painstaking days of your life creating this perfect little environement on your computer, and then put in little animals, and plants, and planets, and stars, and decided to put a little robotic AI into the perfect paradise and gave it a simple rule of not augmenting it's program in any way, and then you make a little friend for it so it won't be lonely when you don't want to talk to it. Turn around for three seconds. Turn back, the AI has altered it's program by downloading an information file and has multiplied and they're all rapidly killing each other but are also mating enough just to keep the population high enough for their rapid homicide to not make a difference, while they are simultaneously doing everything they can to destroy your program. Now How do you feel?

First off, God only took six days, and on the seventh, He rested. Second, that is a terrible analogy.

[Zaleramancer]

Not to mention it left out the rogue AI that was pressuring the other two into breaking the rule for his own nefarious purposes..

Thank goodness for spell check. I almost put braking there...

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 It's nothing to feel sorry about, if that's how you really feel.

I only came to offer consolation, not to judge you (I wasn't even angry or annoyed when I read the post), I just wanted to help, hence the link (which was very touching to me, if you haven't already watched it).

It's no problem, I'm just glad you answered nicely, cause I kinda expected I would have to repeat the part about not wanting to get into an argument.

Seriously, it's no big deal.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 And even that would have to arise out of the "rogue AI" having once been a "good AI" turned bad, similar to the Terminator scenario, and we get into sci-fi, and...well, it's simply too confusing. We're machines and computers, on some level (we DO require mechanisms and formulas to work), but not close enough to be directly analogized to one another.

[Zaleramancer]

I was reading a thread in a debate forum in which a apologetic christian fundamentalist was trying to convince an agnostic that a circle is a sphere.

It was rather amusing. Made me feel better.

[Zaleramancer]

I wonder what would have happened if they ate from the other tree instead...

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 That a circle is a sphere?

[Zaleramancer]

Yes.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 Who knows if the tree was even freely available to their access?

I think God knew what He was doing, otherwise Satan would have tempted them to eat from the other tree (The Tree of Life) and THEN eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which (if I haven't totally misinterpreted the scripture) would have kept them from ever suffering any consequence from disobeying God.

Then again, some believe that the whole "eating of this tree or that tree" scenario is a profound divine metaphor for something else entirely that requires similar obedience, and similar consequences for disobedience.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

*sigh*  And people think I share intellectual and moral convictions with a dope who thinks like that?

A sphere had numerous dimensions. A circle has only two. Case closed.

[Zaleramancer]

Eh. I wonder if humanity would have been a race of amoral immortals...

Is it odd the first thing I thought of after that sentence is the Fair Folk?

[Zaleramancer]

Convince the cooky fundamentalist.

They ain't budging.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 No. No, it is not.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 Then that should be all the more proof.

Whereas a person of the Christian RELIGION thinks they already have all the answers, and have no need to be loving a caring and compassion to others, a person of the Christian faith is stubborn, but not to the point of stupidity. We seek wisdom and knowledge and (above all) understanding, and are graceful recipients of it, when it presents itself, because we believe God wants us to be informed (so as not to be deceived by The Adversary). Ever hear of Intelligent Design?

[Mik_Hael]

If I had included everything it would have taken up two pages. -.-. I just put the gist for the sake of the point and you know it.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Will you please let it go? You can't include everything, because we don't know exactly how it went, and not everything that exists in nature can be likened to a piece of technology or software.

[WonderDrow]

Yes, please let it go.  
We can't have this end up in a debate about the truth that life hasn't been magically created by 1 or more divine beings.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

It's not a debate about whether or not Creation happened, it's the mechanics of said Creation that are a bit tetchy.

[WonderDrow]

Sometimes I wish there would exist a device that could show us with 100% certainty what really happened at the dawn of times.

So that such tetchy debate would become pointless.

But then I soon realise that even if such device existed that certain groups would still reject the proof anyway.

Most people prefere staying in the comfort of their own vision of the truth.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

 I don't. If I don't venture out of my comfort zone, and learn about the perspectives of others, I can't truly affirm the depths of my own faith.