Lords of Creation (OCC) 17

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I hate leaving things unfinished... tbh, I'd like to see you make an RP comeback, too...

[Mik_Hael]

All my rp's are dead. decided form now on if I do anything it'll be as a GM.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Hey, do you have friends elsewhere on the internet, or IRL, who RP? Why not invite them here? They're more than welcome. Lord knows we have more than enough room and empty space.

[Mik_Hael]

If you want more people to come, give them something to come to, odds are if Marv's OOCT comes well you might be able to recruit some people. The problem will be making them stay.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Right you are, smh

[Zaleramancer]

In retrospect, it would have been best to continue to work as freeform, honestly. Or perhaps something more like Nobilis. (Which would work pretty well for this sort of game).

The rules sort of became strait-jackets in a way. (Tho Nobilis's 3e system is quite nice for high-powered, domain-aspected play and diceless to boot.)

I think ultimately I made things to complicated to handle and then retreated under the pressure.

Hmmm. I wish I remembered what was happening. It's been a while.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I don't remember much of my planned arc. But I know I can salvage some of it into a new thing that works, if I give it the proper time and attention. The only problem now is finding out when a good time is, to do so, with all the other things I've got planned for myself, in the Forum and out.

[Philote]

So, I noticed people mentioning wanting to get a new RP going and Zale has already brought up the Nobilis rules idea. We have the four of us (Phi, Marv, Wulf, Zale), Jester should stop by again before long, and Vault and the others might be able to be contacted again. Even with us four, we could get something good going.

I say, lets start a brand new LoC. It was one of our more successful RPs, with the focus on world building and all, and we can cut out all the convoluted stuff and not have to worry about catching up on story lines if we start a new one.

[Marvelous Miscreant]

Philote wrote

I say, lets start a brand new LoC. It was one of our more successful RPs, with the focus on world building and all, and we can cut out all the convoluted stuff and not have to worry about catching up on story lines if we start a new one.

I second that motion

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I second it, as well, but I also have questions.

What exactly do you consider to be the source of the convolution? The rules system(s)?

[Zaleramancer]

I feel sympathetic to this idea, since it could allow us to start fresh; also avoid difficulties with moving things about.

[Philote]

I'm up for it.

We are missing players from the first one and can not pick up all the story lines to continue the first one efficiently at the moment so a new LoC would allow us to start fresh without trouble.

[Zaleramancer]

Oh and: What convoluted parts, precisely?

I'm looking to break the Nobilis system into something we'd use, but that requires I know what people don't want.

I'm composing it in the form of a word document. At first it'll be a direct translation of what the rules are like by default, then I can start pruning and tweaking.

[Philote]

I think it was that it had too many game elements. You got X motes per day and if you did not use them you were permanently behind the people who did use them. Start introducing too many artifacts or aspects and you have to put a limit on them in order to let other people catch up.

Nobilis looks really good for making it more roleplaying based and less number based.

I'll take a better look at those rules when I have time.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

Do we have to restart the entire game? Cause, personally, I mostly just have a problem with my inability to keep up with the ideas I had for the Second Age.

I mean, I won't complain if you say a complete do-over, but I rather liked Uburra-Namall's development in the First Age of this current story, and it would be a shame to see all that go to waste.

Ideally, for me, we'd start over in the Second Age, but without said convoluted game elements.

[Zaleramancer]

So, guys, I'm working on a modified version of the Nobilis rules that borrows from Chuubo's miraculous arcs to make a statistically various number of gods.

Allowing everyone to have different themes, basically.

The current tentative attributes are as followed:

Aspect (Or Arete?) which elevates human skills to divine perfection. (Mythic Archetype: Hercules, Apollo?)
Domain which allows you to create, control or destroy a particular Estate or Element. (Mythic Archetype: Many gods)
Persona which allows you to apply the rules or properties of an Estate or Mythos to people and things. (Mythic Archetype: ???)
Treasure which allows you to draw power from things, places or people you care about. (Mythic Archetype: Hephaestus)

These are the basic attributes already present in Nobilis.

Other possibilities include:

(Name uncertain, possibilities include: Behemoth, God-Monster or Titan) which allows you to become a vast, powerful and nearly unkillable leviathan. (Mythic archetypes: Jörmungandr, Dragon Kings)

(Cursed or Sickly?) which afflicts you with a powerful curse, but also gives you incredible destructive power. (Mythic Archetypes: ???)

(Unnamed? Sacrifice?) which lets you give up things, or afflict yourself for power. Associated with forbidden knowledge or power. (Mythic Archetype: Odin)

(Light? Illumination?) which turns you into a thing that transfixes, allures and transforms. A creature of beauty and grace. (Mythic Archetype: ???)

(Folklore?) which turns you into a hungry hunter of fable, a iconic trickster with the power to bend stories. (Mythic Archetype: Loki)

(Realm? Garden?) which gives you power over a realm and the beings within, letting you shape them like clay. (Mythic Archetype: ???)

(Archetypal? Ascension?) which makes you part of an Estate, conceptually linked and capable of changing into something bizarre. (Mythic Archetype: Old gods)

(Sealer? Binding?) which allows you to bind things to your will, allowing you to use them. (Mythic Archetype: ???)

There'll be more as I decide what stays and what goes, but basically you'll select a couple of attributes for your Pantheon leader; probably a few more as well and any gods you create will be bound to the pool of attributes you picked.

So like, for example, if you pick Aspect, Treasure and Light(?) you'll get a god who..

..takes any human skill and makes it amazing. Someone who can shoot the sun from the sky or leap over mountains.
..gives and gains power from their connection to people, places or things. Someone who has a legendary panoply, or a group of divinely inspired priests.
..transfixes and transforms just by being. Someone who can show up whenever they wish, dream-like, and inspire feelings that linger forever.

Which is obviously a different concept than one who picks up the Titanic, Binding and Archetypal attribute and can turn into a sun-devouring dragon beast who calls upon the power of that which it eats.

The basic system for this I explained on the facebook chat, but for prosperity:

With Nobilis you basically have a table for each attribute that goes from 0-9; for each level you have a different effect. If you attribute is higher than or equal to the level the table, you can do that for free as much as you like. If it's higher, you must pay MP (In units of 0, 1, 2, 4, 6 or 8) with each point spend increasing your effective level for a single action by one.

So if you have 3 and wish to make a 7 level effect, you have to pay 4 MP to reach it.

[Celadon's Penultimate]

I actually really like the sound of such a system. We could make this work.

[Mik_Hael]

Guess I'll take Domain,Cursed,Sealer then.

[Zaleramancer]

Sounds like a nice combo.

Some conceptual examples for that:

Ereshkigal, the Goddess of the Underworld.

Her Estates are the Death, Plagues and Caves.

Domain (Plagues)..
        ...gives her the power to summon, control or destroy Plagues.
        ...lets her know if someone endangers Plagues.
        ...lets her speak to Plague spirits.

Cursed..
       ...means she's cursed. Sunlight and the air of the surface world are poison to her; slowly kill her.
       ...her curse can drive her to her sanctuary, the Underworld.
       ...she can point and thing and speak a word of command such that death falls on it at once; it is destroyed.

Binder (The Dead)
       ...means she sometimes misses horrible things.
       ...allows her to find and bind some dangerous thing to her estate, like the Dead who escape the underworld.
       ...allows her to invoke the power of those dead things she has bound; create spells or incantations based on them.
       ...allows her to call upon the bound dead for wisdom.

[Tsubasa & Wen Tien]

Iiiiiiiiiiii'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Anyway... sounds cool.

Would love to have Realm: Moon, Domain: Fire, Binder: Artifact as attributes (?) if I was to join. Probably call the god Kadzuki if I did so.